[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by captain slowly

Don't we have a OG M2 forum, you know, for people like you?

Yes, because the OG is not a real M car. Should have called it M240i while M240i should have been the 240i

[captain slowly]

Originally Posted by DFW_M2C

Yes, because the OG is not a real M car. Should have called it M240i while M240i should have been the 240i

Is there or isn't there a separate M2 forum? And realistically, from engine to suspension, it really is closer to a M235 than a real M car

[ChrisK]

I'm waiting for DCT vs. MT downward spiral.

[Cadillac]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

I'm waiting for DCT vs. MT downward spiral.

Apologies for starting this thread.
I can honestly say I love them both and was just making some observations, was not trying to start a "pissing" match.
Enjoy them both, I am sure that the new G87 will again take it to another level and I am looking forward to that also, in the meantime the M2C is going to be prefect. 2,000KM road trip coming up next week.

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by Cadillac

Apologies for starting this thread.
I can honestly say I love them both and was just making some observations, was not trying to start a "pissing" match.
Enjoy them both, I am sure that the new G87 will again take it to another level and I am looking forward to that also, in the meantime the M2C is going to be prefect. 2,000KM road trip coming up next week.

If there was an OG when I was buying, I'd get it. They are all awesome. If there was a CS only, I may have gotten that also, but at that price a 718 gets tempting...

Enjoy what you have and Happy Thanksgiving!

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by captain slowly

98%? LOL. I guess the N55 being an open deck engine (among other things) and the S55 being closed deck is 2%? Please, come back when you actually know what you're talking about.

/ignore

[captain slowly]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

/ignore

now if you can only ignore this forum, we'd be getting somewhere

[Maynard]

They say ape DNA is about 98% identical to human (and vice versa). So in that spirit, I think all these arguments are at least 98% true.

And am I the only person who wishes they kept the signals/wipers the way they were for the OG?

[DanG]

Originally Posted by captain slowly

Is there or isn't there a separate M2 forum? And realistically, from engine to suspension, it really is closer to a M235 than a real M car

Boy are you way off. The suspension on the M2 and M2C is the same. And the M2 has lots of M3/M4 parts. You cannot say that it isn’t a real M car.

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by Maynard

And am I the only person who wishes they kept the signals/wipers the way they were for the OG?

Now I'm curious what they were like in the OG

[captain slowly]

Originally Posted by DanG

Boy are you way off. The suspension on the M2 and M2C is the same. And the M2 has lots of M3/M4 parts. You cannot say that it isn’t a real M car.

Don't get all up in arms, I only said it to get a rise out of whats his name for being a troll

[Maynard]

Originally Posted by BigKutta

Now I'm curious what they were like in the OG

Turn signals don't 'stick' in place then snap back, they just register if it is a short tap or a longer push to differentiate from the 3-beat or the full-on. Then you can disengage by tapping either direction. Wipers are also a push-switch, instead of changing position. It is subtle, and wierd if used to 'normal' wipers, but once you adapt it really is a slicker system. When I got my first 2 there was a ton of complaining on the boards, and I'm afraid they actually listened to it for the refresh (hope they do the same for those new grills; even the M2c is wrong, too Kia-like, but I love her anyway).

[akkando]

Originally Posted by ASAP

The OG has a little more tq at a lower RPM due to smaller turbos. It also sounds better...

The Comp is better in every other sense bar none... the top end difference is huge.

Yeah, stops making additional power from 5300 to 7600 rpm. Just dead for more than 2000 rpm. Not something I like on the stock tune. The OG only disappoints for about 1000 rpm.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by akkando

Yeah, stops making additional power from 5300 to 7600 rpm. Just dead for more than 2000 rpm. Not something I like on the stock tune. The OG only disappoints for about 1000 rpm.

Yea you're right... i'll enjoy my extra 7 MPH at the end of the 1/4 mile... you keep your extra 1k rpm of power generation.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Yea you're right... i'll enjoy my extra 7 MPH at the end of the 1/4 mile... you keep your extra 1k rpm of power generation.

Gladly. I'd never take an untuned m2c.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by akkando

Gladly. I'd never take an untuned m2c.

I hope your N55 isn't untuned either because the 540s will keep up 🤣

[wjones14]

Originally Posted by ASAP

4) New instrument cluster - far better than anything pre LCI for daily driveabiliy

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

Facts tend to do that.


Nearly identical. Don't believe me? Have a couple of girls drive them back to back and see if they say anything about it. It's something only fanboi's notice (or guys trying to defend the M2C as a better daily, which is, well, stupid.)

Have to agree with ASAP on this one. Before I bought my M2C, I discussed the car at length with a nearby friend who owned a 2016 M2 and now owns a 2021 M2C. One of the major reasons he wanted the M2C over the OG, believe it or not, was the instrument panel. He was constantly frustrated by the OG panel being washed out and unreadable in direct sunlight. The backlit M2C gauges are a 100% improvement according to him.

FWIW, this friend of mine recently summed up his thoughts about the OG vs. the M2C after 4 years with the OG and 1 year with the M2C:

M2C pros:
More power and instrument panel is backlit

M2 pros:
Better torque curve and exhaust note
437 wheels better than 788s
M2 can handle 18" winter wheels

[veenut28]

I am thankful for this thread. There's good comedy in seeing people who have presumably similar taste in cars nitpicking details and arguing them as abrasively as possible.

[Moflow]

Originally Posted by akkando

Yeah, stops making additional power from 5300 to 7600 rpm. Just dead for more than 2000 rpm. Not something I like on the stock tune. The OG only disappoints for about 1000 rpm.

I can see how “not building power” would bug people, but it’s sustaining power up there, not dropping off (until after 7k.)

In those same RPM ranges where the M2C is sustaining power, the N55 is actually loosing power. It sounds like your beef is more with modern small turbo engines and the power bands that will be associated with these engines.

If two cars make identical peak power, the one that makes that power for longer is going to be significantly faster, all else being equal. For a 405 hp car, the M2C is paradoxically, very powerful.

If the N55 hit its peak power and then instead of dropping off after that point, it just sat there at 365 hp for another 2k rpm it would be both less fun to you and much faster (though in all these cars, you could get the traditional powerband effect by just short shifting.)

[DanG]

Originally Posted by wjones14

Have to agree with ASAP on this one. Before I bought my M2C, I discussed the car at length with a nearby friend who owned a 2016 M2 and now owns a 2021 M2C. One of the major reasons he wanted the M2C over the OG, believe it or not, was the instrument panel. He was constantly frustrated by the OG panel being washed out and unreadable in direct sunlight. The backlit M2C gauges are a 100% improvement according to him.

FWIW, this friend of mine recently summed up his thoughts about the OG vs. the M2C after 4 years with the OG and 1 year with the M2C:

M2C pros:
More power and instrument panel is backlit

M2 pros:
Better torque curve and exhaust note
437 wheels better than 788s
M2 can handle 18" winter wheels

The 2018 LCI M2 has the same instrument panel as the M2C.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Moflow

I can see how "not building power" would bug people, but it's sustaining power up there, not dropping off (until after 7k.)

In those same RPM ranges where the M2C is sustaining power, the N55 is actually loosing power. It sounds like your beef is more with modern small turbo engines and the power bands that will be associated with these engines.

If two cars make identical peak power, the one that makes that power for longer is going to be significantly faster, all else being equal. For a 405 hp car, the M2C is paradoxically, very powerful.

If the N55 hit its peak power and then instead of dropping off after that point, it just sat there at 365 hp for another 2k rpm it would be both less fun to you and much faster (though in all these cars, you could get the traditional powerband effect by just short shifting.)

My gripe is the character of the engine and how it makes that power on the stock tune, not the total power that it makes or the power relative to the n55. I know it doesn't bother most people, and I know it's making more power than the n55, and I know it's faster making peek power at 5300 rpm to 7k rather than only making peek power at 7600 but I don't like it. The f80 and f80c curve feels better to me. For me personally, the engine character disappoints me in stock form and don't prefer it to the n55. If my m2 caught on fire tomorrow and started looking at m2c as replacement I'd only consider a 2019 or early 2020 so I could flash tune it, or CS of it fell into my lap because it actually rewards for revving it out.

[wjones14]

Originally Posted by DanG

The 2018 LCI M2 has the same instrument panel as the M2C.

Sorry, I thought this thread was about the OG in general and not specifically the 2018 vs M2C. My bad.