[Steelguin]

Originally Posted by M2C-NLUSA

I didn't think it did. I felt a lag every time I downshifted. Was slight but it was there. I also found it boring personally. I'll stick to PDK...

lol

[TheMagician]

Originally Posted by M2C-NLUSA

I didn't think it did. I felt a lag every time I downshifted. Was slight but it was there. I also found it boring personally. I'll stick to PDK...

this is very interesting..

[Poochie]

No one that opts for the manual transmission second-guesses their choice, so I respectfully suggest that if you have to ask yourself this particular question, just get the DCT and move on..

[GregInNewMexico]

I absolutely love driving the manual, for things like anticipating which gear I am going to need. E.G. dropping into third to pass on the freeway, hearing the Revs climb, then mashing the throttle....

[akkando]

Originally Posted by BigKutta

This is exactly what I worry about with a MT. How will I shift from 5th to 6th when I'm doing 150mph...

Very carefully.

[brainf18]

I am strongly in the MT camp. To be fully engaged in the driving experience you need a MT. A DCT is like eating chocolate chip cookies without the chocolate chips. It still tastes good but the most important part of the experience is missing.

All one has to do is look at Porsche's track focused cars...the GT3 and GT4. They sell far more MT than PDK because real enthusiasts buy MT for track duty. They know they aren't as fast as PDK but don't care because its about having a fully engaged experience and fun, and not lap times at the expense of everything else. The less track focused cars the opposite is true. PDK far outsells MT because buyers of those cars prioritize daily driving ease, luxury and comfort. Driving a manual, esp in traffic, is work...No doubt. But for back roads and track duty learning how to heal / toe, rev match and banging through the gears is a much more engaging rewarding experience when compared to flipping a paddle.

[Steelguin]

I'm strongly in the DCT camp. Trying to get the manual into first and all these lock out stories helped make the choice. Its lightning quick shifting. I'm not an android that can discern the 000000000000.1 millisecond in change like some people that have driven the all mighty PDK so I am well happy.

Ill prob get manual next car I buy. I tend to go back and forth.

[NISFAN]

Interesting thread.

Whenever I read manual vs DCT threads I often pick up certain perceived flaws in the 'auto' box. Even in this thread we've had comments like " it's too slow to down shift" or " in a manual I know I'm in the right gear for the situation". This really strikes a chord with me when talking Getrag DCT.
The DCT is not an automatic box. It is a robotised manual with the added gimmick of an automatic function......just because the engineers could. The aforementioned comments or 'flaws' are only ever there if you drive the DCT like a slush box. That is not it's primary mode of use.
In an apples vs apples comparison the DCT is as controllable, offers same instant response, delivers faster changes, gives right gear selection satisfaction as the best manual in the business. It has some clear advantages too, but as we are talking flaws, we will ignore the advantages and mention the only flaw it has. It doesn't have a manual clutch to allow the driver to be fully in control of the pull off and walking speeds driving phase.

The function of a gearbox is to select gears, which the DCT does absolutely flawlessly. Ok some folk like a ritual to be included in the function of selecting gears, the dance of hands and feet, which can then be scored on a 1-10 level of how well it was performed, a dance which the DCT doesn't accommodate. Instead it bangs in perfect 10's every time. Maybe that precision and repeatability makes it seem dull to some?
I conclude that choice of gearbox says more about the person than the gearbox itself.

[Al Bundy's Dodge]

Have we settled on manual yet?

[Steelguin]

Originally Posted by Poochie

No one that opts for the manual transmission second-guesses their choice, so I respectfully suggest that if you have to ask yourself this particular question, just get the DCT and move on..

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1704723

[JustinHEMI]

The great thing is that we still have the choice. We should all worry about not having a choice in coming years.

[GregInNewMexico]

Originally Posted by JustinHEMI

The great thing is that we still have the choice. We should all worry about not having a choice in coming years.

Agreed. The thing is that you make the right choice for YOU. Both options have their strengths. Your driving style should be the justification for which one you get, not some angry dude on the internet who isn't paying for your M.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Steelguin

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1704723

Yea, BMW has notchy shifting manuals and its CDV makes it feel a little disconnected but it's still a manual and just like pizza; even if it's bad, it's still pretty good.

Nothing against the DCT, there is a certain charm of having lighting-fast shifting literally at your fingertips but the manual also has its own personality, for better or worst and a clutch pedal adds another layer of control that can't be mimic with any other tranny.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Steelguin

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1704723

It doesn't matter how many people second guess their MT choice, still it will be stated no one ever second guessed their choice for a MT.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Yea, BMW has notchy shifting manuals and its CDV makes it feel a little disconnected but it's still a manual and just like pizza; even if it's bad, it's still pretty good.

Nothing against the DCT, there is a certain charm of having lighting-fast shifting literally at your fingertips but the manual also has its own personality, for better or worst and a clutch pedal adds another layer of control that can't be mimic with any other tranny.

https://www.cracked.com/article_1752...etty-good.html

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by akkando

https://www.cracked.com/article_1752...etty-good.html

Touché

[Zuzu]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

Can you explain this part in more detail?

Hahahah.

For you to ask this question, you already know the answer, so i wont entertain you mate.

This is my opinion and you dont have to agree..

I have purchased new BM's every 3 years since 1985 and have had a mix of MT / Auto and DCT..

I have nothing against the DCT, although much prefer MT.
The only downfall to the M2C 6MT is that is needs the SSK, which I have ordered and had installed on my 1M previously, which totally transforms the MT driving experience.

My opinion and 5 cents worth.

[GarageMadness]

Great to see so many opinions and experiences on both ends. I can appreciate both sides. Comes down to having the right tool for the job at hand.

DD in heavy traffic = DCT
Short non-highway commute = Manual
DD while remote working = Manual
Errands around town = Manual
GT touring on highways = DCT
Costal drives = Manual
Canyon/Mountain/'B' roads = Manual
HPDE track days = Manual
TT/Time Attack track duty = DCT
Garage Queen = Sell the car!

With all the auto industry restrictions and limitations, I just value the freedom to row my own gears regardless of my personal driving use case. Given the demise of manual transmissions in the future, we may not even have this freedom at some point.

[kyrix1st]

Title should be changed to M-DCT vs manual. M-DCT is an automated manual, not traditional automatic.

[Brandt51]

I got the manual for the bitches. Autos don't...'automatically' make chicks drop their panties....but the 6 speed sure does.

[Brandt51]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

Title should be changed to M-DCT vs manual. M-DCT is an automated manual, not traditional automatic.

Knock it off with that nonsense!

[Brandt51]

Originally Posted by GarageMadness

DD in heavy traffic = 6 speed manual
Short non-highway commute = 6 speed manual
DD while remote working = 6 speed manual
Errands around town = 6 speed manual
GT touring on highways = 6 speed manual
Costal drives = 6 speed manual
Canyon/Mountain/'B' roads = 6 speed manual
HPDE track days = 6 speed manual
TT/Time Attack track duty = 6 speed manual
Garage Queen = Sell the car!

No comfort, only pain! And 6 speeds.