[Artemis]

Originally Posted by kab_m2

I think your CA might be a bit confused.
As discussed previously here, there is no competition pack for the M2. There is a Competition (not a pack) version which is another name for the CS. This is the one with the S55 engine.
The limited volume model he mentioned may be referring to the GTS/CSL variant which may be in the works as a halo version that sits above the CS
Obviously this is all still speculation until we see something in the metal but a lot of this info comes from some very reliable sources on this forum
I think your CA might be a bit confused.
As discussed previously here, there is no competition pack for the M2. There is a Competition (not a pack) version which is another name for the CS. This is the one with the S55 engine.
The limited volume model he mentioned may be referring to the GTS/CSL variant which may be in the works as a halo version that sits above the CS
Obviously this is all still speculation until we see something in the metal but a lot of this info comes from some very reliable sources on this forum

To my ears that sounds like a correct summary.

Originally Posted by Gatte

Edit: There is a Bulgarian article published in the last 24 hours stating that the CS will have 444 hp derived from the ZCP M4 engine and be produced in extremely low numbers of 200. Guess there's too many theories floating around.

There are currently dozens of "M2 Competition" test mules out in the wild. All got the 3.0 S55 engine with 302kW output (410hp metric - 405hp mech). A mix of M-DCT and 6MT. That's for 2018. No limited version (alike the M4 CS: not a limited series, just limited by production capacity).

If you read approx. 331kW output figures (450hp metric - 444hp mech) somewhere, then that's about the 2019 mystery track-tool M2 (M2 GTS or M2 CSL). Limited version. Personally I don't know of any such car in the wild yet as we speak.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Gatte

Do you think the M2 was intentionally handicapped from a weight perspective so another lighter model (CSL) could be introduced in the near future. There is almost no CF on the M2 which also goes against a statement he had made in an earlier interview (About M cars) where he was questioned about weight savings on the M4 GTS to which he responded stating that the base M4 was already light and further savings would not be easy to accomplish.

If BMW M gave the M2 the same weight savings treatment as the GTS but without the roll cage, the car could be seriously lighter I think, thereby validating it's CSL name.

Not totally intentionally but yes.

[SCOTT26]

It is not too long before we learn more.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

It is not too long before we learn more.

Why wait... Elaborate!

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

It is not too long before we learn more.

Killing me.....any of these represent a timeframe either actual or approximate?

Cairo International Motor Show
Public Dates: 09/20/17 - 09/23/17

Kiev International Motor Show
Public Dates: 10/25/17 - 10/27/17

Dubai International Motor Show
Public Dates: 10/26/17 - 10/30/17

Tokyo Motor Show
Public Dates: 10/27/17 - 11/05/17

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

It is not too long before we learn more.

This Autumn.

[ChrisK]

My only concern about the CS is the sound from the S55.

[somer]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

My only concern about the CS is the sound from the S55.

As somebody who absolutely hates the sound of the S55, I must admit it fits the character of the M2 CS much more than the M3 and M4. I think the performance benefit and potential will outweigh any negatives when it comes to the sound. From inside the cabin it's honestly not too bad, it's just the exterior that sounds like complete trash. If you can pay attention to some of the M4CS reviews, these cars don't have active sound.

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[Gatte]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

It is not too long before we learn more.

Thanks for the tidbit SCOTT26

Do you know or have an idea about whether or not we will get to see an M2 CSL for the current generation of the M2 ?

Not sure how high your sources are but would also like to know if you knew what lessons were learnt by BMW M after the M4 GTS ? That will tell us a little bit about the direction that BMW M will take with upcoming models.

Really think that an M2 CSL would be very similar to the E46 M3 CSL and I am just thinking about it.

[N54]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

It is not too long before we learn more.

Is that days, weeks or months?

Thanks

[chmura]

Originally Posted by N54

Is that days, weeks or months?

Thanks

Yes please tell us. Can we expect an update this month??

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

It is not too long before we learn more.

Yur killing me!

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by Gatte

Thanks for the tidbit SCOTT26

Do you know or have an idea about whether or not we will get to see an M2 CSL for the current generation of the M2 ?

Not sure how high your sources are but would also like to know if you knew what lessons were learnt by BMW M after the M4 GTS ? That will tell us a little bit about the direction that BMW M will take with upcoming models.

Really think that an M2 CSL would be very similar to the E46 M3 CSL and I am just thinking about it.

Well they are following through with the CS/CSL philosophy as I reported around two years ago. As I said I intend to talk about things that are a year or two ahead that are discussed at the time.
I have not seen anything in regards to confirm about an M2 GTS only the CS.
Of course there will have to be lessons learned and ideas underused from the GTS and implemented within the M4. CSL.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by Gatte

Thanks for the tidbit SCOTT26

Do you know or have an idea about whether or not we will get to see an M2 CSL for the current generation of the M2 ?

Not sure how high your sources are but would also like to know if you knew what lessons were learnt by BMW M after the M4 GTS ? That will tell us a little bit about the direction that BMW M will take with upcoming models.

Really think that an M2 CSL would be very similar to the E46 M3 CSL and I am just thinking about it.

What exactly did he tell us?

He is holding out.

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

What exactly did he tell us?

He is holding out.

The CS is go go go!

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

The CS is go go go!

Scott26/27 is such a tease.

[look585]

Let's say my dealer says ok I'll take a deposit. Will I still be able to order it how I would like it if and when my number comes up?

I still don't like the LCI gauges. Much rather prefer the analog style.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Well they are following through with the CS/CSL philosophy as I reported around two years ago. As I said I intend to talk about things that are a year or two ahead that are discussed at the time.
I have not seen anything in regards to confirm about an M2 GTS only the CS.
Of course there will have to be lessons learned and ideas underused from the GTS and implemented within the M4. CSL.

For the record:

• a couple of Scott's older M2 variant comments he's referring to: see post #1 of this thread.
• a couple of Scott's more recent M2 variant comments: see post post #696 of this thread.

[medphysdave]

Confirmation of an M4 CSL

From 2ertalk: http://www.2ertalk.de/topic/2533-bmw...hread/page-154

So. The info I received yesterday in Munich was the following:
100% sure that the CS model from the end of 2017 to be ordered.
Additional costs approx. 8-10k €
CS model is not limited to unit numbers, this is supposed to be the GTS.
Motor: no information
Leasing initially not possible
Discount 0%

These were the statements of the M-Modell VK

Best regards


Also talk resumes of M2 Competition replacing base M2.

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Well they are following through with the CS/CSL philosophy as I reported around two years ago. As I said I intend to talk about things that are a year or two ahead that are discussed at the time.
I have not seen anything in regards to confirm about an M2 GTS only the CS.
Of course there will have to be lessons learned and ideas underused from the GTS and implemented within the M4. CSL.

Any word if the M4 CSL will have back seats, and no cage, as an ordering option?

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

Additional costs approx. 8-10k €

No idea about pricing yet, but don't forget the 'à la carte' approach of making the more track-oriented goodies optional (think for example one-piece seats, bigger brakes, lightweight wheels, delimited V-max), allowing to keep the M2 CS base price attractive. Don't expect all that to be standard features. IMHO that would make sense as strategy to position the M2 CS in the ///M model line-up.

When loaded with options:

• tick all boxes of the base M2 options list and you're still approximately at the lowest end of the M3/M4 price range;
• do the same with the M2 CS options list, and you'll end up deep into the M3/M4 price range.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Well they are following through with the CS/CSL philosophy as I reported around two years ago. As I said I intend to talk about things that are a year or two ahead that are discussed at the time.
I have not seen anything in regards to confirm about an M2 GTS only the CS.
Of course there will have to be lessons learned and ideas underused from the GTS and implemented within the M4. CSL.

In a post earlier, you had mentioned seeing an M2 which was as wide as the M235i racing cars and with a carbon fiber roof but closer to production form. If you are saying that there is no CSL/GTS in plans for the next 2 years, what would that car be ??