[Artemis]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

To date I have heard nothing about the M2 GTS.
The M2 CS is coming but as I stated that the M4 CS has just been launched so they want to give it breathing space, same for the M2 LCI.
There is another M4 planned to further emulate the Porsche 911 series.
This will be towards the end of production.

EOP (end of production) of the F82 M4 is scheduled for 2020:
http://www.bmwarchiv.de/e-code/f82.html
http://www.bmwarchive.org/e-code/f82.html

[cc3]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

To date I have heard nothing about the M2 GTS.
The M2 CS is coming but as I stated that the M4 CS has just been launched so they want to give it breathing space, same for the M2 LCI.

There is another M4 planned to further emulate the Porsche 911 series.
This will be towards the end of production.

Yes but it is a car BMW will make otherwise it will look out of step with Mercedes and Audi as they both continue to push for more BHP

2019 is a long way off so plenty of time for development

The demand is there and near the end of the 2 series cycle should be plenty of profit for BMW

[TunedM2C]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

To date I have heard nothing about the M2 GTS.
The M2 CS is coming but as I stated that the M4 CS has just been launched so they want to give it breathing space, same for the M2 LCI.

There is another M4 planned to further emulate the Porsche 911 series.
This will be towards the end of production.

Can you confirm the engine choice for the M2CS?

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

To date I have heard nothing about the M2 GTS.
The M2 CS is coming but as I stated that the M4 CS has just been launched so they want to give it breathing space, same for the M2 LCI.

There is another M4 planned to further emulate the Porsche 911 series.
This will be towards the end of production.

How bout the likelihood of a manual gearbox?

[Karmic Man]

Looks like Audi is also stepping up for their customer to combat the CS range

http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/a...12-gx9gzl.html

[ACZakka325i]

What other variant of M4 would be appropriate? Not sure I see another opportunity within this chassis. Someone enlighten me.

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by ACZakka325i

What other variant of M4 would be appropriate? Not sure I see another opportunity within this chassis. Someone enlighten me.

My guess is something that competes with new GT2 offering, or the RS line. I doubt it's the base 991. Something that demonstrates what BMW can really do when inclined.

[chmura]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

How bout the likelihood of a manual gearbox?

+1

[gtr]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

There is another M4 planned to further emulate the Porsche 911 series.
This will be towards the end of production.

I do love BMW M but I simply doubt it can get anywhere close to the current 911 series. If the M4 is competitive to the AMG GTC I would be happy. The AMG GT is such an under rated car. It is so good but overlooked.

[ACZakka325i]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

My guess is something that competes with new GT2 offering, or the RS line. I doubt it's the base 991. Something that demonstrates what BMW can really do when inclined.

I think that was what the M4GTS was and it was only "OK".

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by ACZakka325i

I think that was what the M4GTS was and it was only "OK".

Or "OK BMW, but for that money Porsche has my attention."

Level playing field: in a recent Top Gear magazine issue Chris Harris compared the 911 GT3 RS, Merc AMG GT-R and M4 GTS. Porsche got his top vote. Merc second. BMW third in the comparo. CH may be controversial for some, but got a point IMHO.

"The GT R is the best AMG I’ve driven on track by a factor of 10.
The M4 GTS, sadly, comes nowhere close to matching it. I’ve never fully understood why this track-addict M4 fell so far short of expectations – actually that’s not the case. It didn’t feel 68bhp faster than the standard car, traction was poor, grip not that impressive and it just wasn’t that exciting to drive. I just don’t understand how BMW thought this was worth an extra £64,075 over the standard M4. And before I’m accused of bashing all turbocharged M cars, I’m one of the few genuine E80 M3/M4 advocates out there.
The GTS pushes a claimed 493bhp, but at 1510kg, while lighter than the AMG, it feels much heavier. Being based on a physically bigger machine than the other two doesn’t help, nor does the higher seating position. There’s an aloofness to the controls after the AMG, everything is light and lacking in a sense of connection. And it simply can’t work the same sticky Michelins the way the Mercedes can. Once they’re fully up to temperature you can chase the throttle coming out of turns, but before that point this is one of the most tail-happy cars I’ve driven in years. I should love that, but the fact is the GTS is a very spiky character. I don’t always trust it, even in the dry. In the wet I would normally choose to wear some kind of adult nappy before buckling up.
The traction control isn’t as sophisticated as the GT R’s, so you really need to switch it off and grow a pair. The motor is strong and in isolation I’d be telling you how impressive it is for a turbo unit in terms of response and high-rpm appetite, but it loses to the Mercedes in every single area. And the gearbox isn’t as quick either.
But what I find truly baffling about the BMW is that I actually prefer driving a standard M3 saloon to this exotic limited-numbers special. And that just shouldn’t be the case. I can’t really pass judgement on the looks, I suppose it’s down to the individual. But if both the Porsche and the Mercedes carry about them a sense of real motorsport DNA, the BMW somehow seems a little, well, aftermarket. Judge a man by the size of his spoiler, and all that.
The BMW poses no threat to the Porsche whatsoever."
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/big...-vs-bmw-m4-gts

[JustChris]

I think it will be the same story if/when the M2/GTS comes about. M4 received 'tricky' reviews whilst the M2 was universally praised. I have a feeling that may also be the case with three M2 GTS. Still a little time for M to lick the wounds and make sure the 'comeback' is a great one!

[Advevo]

Amen to that.

I have also driven an M3 and M4 GTS those cars are way overpriced and i see no point BMW M building those. Same goes for the M2 GTS.

I must say i am very happy with my "standard" M2

Maybe i buy an M2 CS if it has an S55 engine and if has a normal price. If they charge big money like the M4 CS i am totally not interested.

Also you don t need to buy an CS or GTS for an investment. In Europe you can pick up a GTS easily. To manny think they can make big money with them

The Base M2 for normal money is the best bet. And build you're own trackday car to you're own specifications.

Lets face it. The GTS has not the most advanced KW set. BMW want that as cheap as possible also. If you buy a high end JRZ or Ohlins you be better off for less money.

If you buy nice exhaust you're better off buying akropovich then a performance exhaust.

If you buy better seats for track you better off buying Recaro and pick the ones you like the most.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by JustChris

I think it will be the same story if/when the M2/GTS comes about. M4 received 'tricky' reviews whilst the M2 was universally praised. I have a feeling that may also be the case with three M2 GTS. Still a little time for M to lick the wounds and make sure the 'comeback' is a great one!

Hopefully the lukewarm reception of the M4 GTS won't overshadow the plans for an M2 GTS. Of course BMW will keep saying that the M4 GTS was a huge success because "all cars have been sold" ...to dealers. Reality-check: several cars are still sitting on dealer lots waiting for customers to open their wallets and of those sold to customers, several ended up in hands of speculators who keep failing to flip a coin with it. No, despite all the hi-tech, gizmos and gimmicks, the expensive M4 GTS didn't get the expected glowing reviews. Recurrent criticism: under certain road conditions the car is treacherous to handle; not quite confidence-inspiring for a high performance car.

Deep down inside, BMW knows, or at least should know, that many may like the M4 GTS, but only few will love it.

BMW can do better. Avoid overproduced, oversized bling. Back to basics. Also size matters. The M2 has almost the same size as the E46 M3 / E46 M3 CSL. So at least the size and wheel base are already a good start for developing a car that can move and groove in a way that's applauded by BMW fans and customers. The M2 offers good potential for an M2 GTS that stands a chance to get rave reviews and no lives spend on dealer lots waiting for customers.

[Artemis]

Here's the video of Chris Harris reviewing the three cars referred to in my previous comment. Rarely seen CH so openly disappointed about the way a car handles.

The M4 GTS: "A very frustrating package" - "I didn't like it the first time I drove it and today hasn't altered that opinion. Not their finest moment. But, the M2 is amazing, the M3 saloon I love, it [M4 GTS] just doesn't work for me. Frustrating!" and his final message: "BMW: must try harder".

https://www.topgear.com/videos/chris...-vs-bmw-m4-gts

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Here's the video of Chris Harris reviewing the three cars referred to in my previous comment. Rarely seen CH so openly disappointed about the way a car handles.

The M4 GTS: "A very frustrating package" - "I didn't like it the first time I drove it and today hasn't altered that opinion. Not their finest moment. But, the M2 is amazing, the M3 saloon I love, it [M4 GTS] just doesn't work for me. Frustrating!" and his final message: "BMW: must try harder".

https://www.topgear.com/videos/chris...-vs-bmw-m4-gts

Someone mentioned in the M4 GTS forum that the aero was setup wrong in all the reviews which led to the mischief handling of the car.

My thinking is if the GTS was supposingly a track car that you can drive on the road then the aero setup should already be engineered for a track environment. One might further adjust aeros for optimum performance but in no way should the car handle abysmally at the limit just because someone 'forgot' to fine tune the aero on the track!

On this note BMW M really need to go back and review the design goals and the execution on the GTS. Simply grabbing an M4 and slab it with new wheels, KW coilovers, rice out the aeros, gives it an ECU tune and couple with a questionable water injection system does not automatically make a car great to drive.

I hope the M2 CS will come out a much better driver's car than the M4GTS. One place to start with is the inclusion of a manual gearbox option on the M2 CS and hopefully on the M2 GTS/CSL as well.

[diWerks]

over or under $70k USD?

[SCOTT26]

Release the Kraken...

[GimmeanM]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Release the Kraken...

a la 'pyrat' like the 1M?

...prepare your personalized plate ideas...

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Release the Kraken...

Internal code names (development):

• E92 M3 GTS: "Jägermeister" (launch color: Fire Orange)
• E82 1M: "Pyrat" (launch color: Valencia Orange)
• F87 M2: "Pyrat2"(launch color: Long Beach Blue)

[TunedM2C]

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[Artemis]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Release the Kraken...

Also: M3 CS in the works for 2018 release:

• http://www.bimmertoday.de/2017/07/18...60-ps-geplant/
• http://www.bmwblog.com/2017/07/18/bm...anning-stages/