M2 vs. Focus RS - AutoExpress Track Battle

M3 Adjuster · 05-06-2016, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Advevo

I have them both.

The focus rs is a real fun car to drive! It s not as classy as an m2 but i am glad I have an focus rs. Thing Will be fun in winter

Wait..

1M
Focus RS
M2

Do you have all three ?

FormulaMMM · 05-06-2016, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by VO_1M

No one else thinks he can't drive? Oversteering away in the M2...

Me. If the timed lap (timer) was actually in sync with his commentary there, then that was a terrible hot lap. He's in at least one gear up to start the lap, then oversteering with delayed correction, late on power out of corners, short shifting all over the place. I'd disregard both lap times honestly, and the delta between the two.

...but other than that I think he did a great job.

ConR · 05-06-2016, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by eugegall

1) Its a Ford
2) Its still a Ford
3) I'm not a boy racer

Thats they they shouldn't be compared.

Terrible comparison.

Sorry, I don't agree with you on that. You're just trying to justify the fact that you've bought an M2, and anyone who criticises it in any way causes you to get into defensive mode.

Same is applicable to anyone. Drive the damn cars and make an opinion yourself before backing up claims made in a YouTube video on which is better for what reason.

Of course, you wouldn't know that the RS (and the ST) was designed in Germany by German engineers, and built in Germany, would you?

I myself appreciate all cars out there equally, and save my opinions for the times I've actually DRIVEN the cars in question.

I actually hope the RS smashes the M2...it'll finally convince the big german boys that charging double the price for a badge does not mean double the fun.

FogCityM3 · 05-06-2016, 07:11 PM

You have to give hats off to Ford for producing dynamite products like the Focus RS and GT350/R. Sure they won't be as luxurious as BMWs, but for the price, they are either comparably (or in the case of the GT350R considerably) faster than similarly sized BMWs. You cannot deny the performance per dollar and greater practicality (4 doors) of the Focus RS. I think it would be a fun pocket rocket that you don't have to worry too much about wearing out/damaging. Also think Ford would offer full track support like the GT350 for warranty issues, unlike BMW's poseur policy of marketing the Nurburgring and lap times all over their marketing materials and manuals, but once they know you go on the track, you will become persona non grata in terms of having any warranty work done..

Playing the "you can't compare these cars" card is a display of "I own it, therefore I am". Who cares if they are compared, or one is slightly faster the other more luxurious/prestige brand, as the point is you have a choice/tradeoff to make between luxury and pure performance. Get over yourselves.

Nice to have options!

Bmw doubles · 05-06-2016, 07:11 PM

Ford Focus vs everything

mlifxs · 05-06-2016, 07:14 PM

apples and oranges comparison for sure.

rs seems pretty good value if performance is the only thing you care about but focus st is an even better value as they can be had at sharp discounts.

would consider an st but here I am stuck in this excellent, fully depreciated e90

F32Fleet · 05-06-2016, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ynotony

Different classes of cars are compared all the time. How many times have we seen BMW vs Porsche?

Also this was purely a "track battle", all they cared about was comparing the performance. The only requirement for a "track battle" is that performance levels of both cars are reasonably similar. It doesn't matter if one is a practical 5-door hatch and the other is an entry level luxury sports coupe, as long as the performance is close.

It's not like it was M2 vs a Ford Escape - that would have been irrelevant and stupid.

Exactly. By all objective measures it's difficult to justify the M2 for this particular track. Of course people buy cars mostly for subjective reasons.

Marioalex24 · 05-06-2016, 07:35 PM

I never been a ford fan, but man they are coming out with some good toys. For $36k the RS hanging pretty good and then you have the GT350 for $51000 with a few options, i was going to pull the trigger on the M2, but now im having second thoughts lol. But that sound on the GT350 wow

amw896 · 05-06-2016, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dammitcubs

I don't know if i should impressed that all the AWD are being compared to the RWD.

The "mighty!" AWD....there seems to be a lovefest for AWD in the past few years.

will never go back to awd for an enthusiast car. Long live rwd!!

shivaswrath · 05-06-2016, 07:57 PM

He drove like $hit

swilliams · 05-06-2016, 07:58 PM

I'm a sucker for fender flares. I get those weak knees.

Ford designers had the opportunity to add a little extra flare to the body panels (compared to the ST), but they didn't. Looks-wise, I like the RS but I don't love it. The M2 - I love it. So that seals the deal for me. If I had kids and lived in a snow state, I'd get the RS....then buy a used M2.

And if I'm being nit-picky, I really dislike the side-smeared tail lights of this gen Focus.

mrmoua2u · 05-06-2016, 08:00 PM

Build Ford tough..??? thought they were build in America? Now someone on here is saying it was built in Germany, also designed in Germany?! Is that true, if so, that only goes to show you cant rebadge a German engineering and compare with another German car can you?

At the end of the day, im sure more people will look at the M2 more than the Ford when they are parked side by side.

Its still just a Ford and its butt ugly, sorry.

ConR · 05-06-2016, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mrmoua2u

Build Ford tough..??? thought they were build in America? Now someone on here is saying it was built in Germany, also designed in Germany?! Is that true, if so, that only goes to show you cant rebadge a German engineering and compare with another German car can you?

At the end of the day, im sure more people will look at the M2 more than the Ford when they are parked side by side.

Its still just a Ford and its butt ugly, sorry.

Sure is built in Germany (the RS). And please go ahead. Buy your M2. If all you're concerned about is looks it just proves you're a badge snob.

I actually love the looks of the RS.

mrmoua2u · 05-06-2016, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ConR

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Originally Posted by mrmoua2u

Build Ford tough..??? thought they were build in America? Now someone on here is saying it was built in Germany, also designed in Germany?! Is that true, if so, that only goes to show you cant rebadge a German engineering and compare with another German car can you?

At the end of the day, im sure more people will look at the M2 more than the Ford when they are parked side by side.

Its still just a Ford and its butt ugly, sorry.

Sure is built in Germany (the RS). And please go ahead. Buy your M2. If all you're concerned about is looks it just proves you're a badge snob.

I actually love the looks of the RS.

Dont need to buy a M2.. but my M4 will do..lol

Me a snob? lol, look what you wrote at the end about yourself.. who's the snob now? Haha.

Its ok, dont get all emotional, its still a Ford.

ConR · 05-06-2016, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mrmoua2u

Dont need to buy a M2.. but my M4 will do..lol

Its ok, dont get all emotional, its still a Ford.

Good for you mate. Keep letting everyone else know how high you are on yourself. Flash that cash around. Must make you a better person than everyone else.

DS_BMW · 05-06-2016, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by eugegall

1) Its a Ford
2) Its still a Ford
3) I'm not a boy racer

Thats they they shouldn't be compared.

Terrible comparison.

How is it a terrible comparison? They put down pretty much the same lap time. Despite how different they are at achieving it. I guess this is why BMW owners get their stereotype.

mrmoua2u · 05-06-2016, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ConR

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Originally Posted by mrmoua2u

Dont need to buy a M2.. but my M4 will do..lol

Its ok, dont get all emotional, its still a Ford.

Good for you mate. Keep letting everyone else know how high you are on yourself. Flash that cash around. Must make you a better person than everyone else.

Come down now and i aint your mate.

: Its just my opinion. We can agree to disagree. No one is flashing to show who is better than the other.

ConR · 05-06-2016, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mrmoua2u

Come down now and i aint your mate.

: Its just my opinion. We can agree to disagree. No one is flashing to show who is better than the other.

You're right were not mates. I was just trying to be polite. Deep down I think you're a d*ck and a show off.

mrmoua2u · 05-06-2016, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ConR

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Originally Posted by mrmoua2u

Come down now and i aint your mate.

: Its just my opinion. We can agree to disagree. No one is flashing to show who is better than the other.

You're right were not mates. I was just trying to be polite. Deep down I think you're a d*ck and a show off.

Wow... name calling already? Did I do you wrong ? No need for it. Its an opinion which you clearly dont understand, or too immature to grasp. The way you talk only goes to show your level of maturity. I dont need to troll with a kid.
You win

OrangeCrush · 05-06-2016, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by swilliams

I'm a sucker for fender flares. I get those weak knees.

Ford designers had the opportunity to add a little extra flare to the body panels (compared to the ST), but they didn't. Looks-wise, I like the RS but I don't love it. The M2 - I love it. So that seals the deal for me. If I had kids and lived in a snow state, I'd get the RS....then buy a used M2.

And if I'm being nit-picky, I really dislike the side-smeared tail lights of this gen Focus.

I have kids and live in a snow state.

swilliams · 05-06-2016, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

I have kids and live in a snow state.

OrangeCrush · 05-06-2016, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ConR

Sure is built in Germany (the RS). And please go ahead. Buy your M2. If all you're concerned about is looks it just proves you're a badge snob.

I actually love the looks of the RS.

Come on. People say stuff like this about other car brands all the time. Who cares. I'm sure there is a Chevy fan out there saying this same thing right this second.

Why are you so butt hurt about it? Are you buying one? If not...why not? Aren't you buying an RS3 instead? If so, why?

I like the Focus RS and considered it but the M2 offers everything I want in a car right now. If I was looking for a hatch it probably would be a focus rs but only because the RS3 hatch isn't offered in America.

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