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      12-06-2019, 07:54 PM   #595
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Hard to tell for sure since the pictures are so small, but based on what I can see to buy everything new at full MSRP would be around

M2 C $58,900
Long Beach Blue $550
Executive Package $1200
DCT $2900
Destination $995

CF Front Splitter $1690
CF Side Winglets $951.00
CF Rear Spoiler $563.00
763M Wheelset $5870.00
Electronic Steering Wheel $1890.00
Pedal Covers $169.00
CF Rear Diffusor (maybe, but can't tell for sure) $1160.00
CF Mirror Caps (maybe, but could be a wrap) $988.00
IND and Acexxon Reflector Package $265.50
Roof appears to be a wrap $?
Red Brake Calipers (probably painted) $?
Aftermarket Floor Mats (Coco?) $?

Total $78091.50 + $?
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It has been driving me nuts, so I actually called the Chrysler dealership.

The salesman is not a BMW SA, obviously, so he was not nearly as aware of all the 'goodies' discussed so frequently on this forum. In the end, he said he would have to call me back after he investigated and had accurate answers to all the questions.

Here is what I can tell you he told me, other than what is obvious to our eyes and largely pointed out by you above. Please forgive any inaccuracies in the information I have obtained to date; I can only go by what I was told with noted caveat. By the way, thank you for taking the time.

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If/when I hear back from Chrysler salesman, I will update accordingly.

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I'm sure they've been flooded with inquiries on the past few days. Someone needs to put down a deposit before the price starts going up.
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Parts bin? Oh, you mean like the 1M? Or the GT4? Or the iconic Lotus Espirit? Yeah, must be junk then.
Parts bin by no means the end result is bad, but it should be a decent value. Economy of scale and all.
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At the dealer yesterday for an oil change - four M4 CS still on the lot - must be 6 months - all over 100K.

I asked one of the sales guys - just kinda threw up his hands and shook his head.
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At the dealer yesterday for an oil change - four M4 CS still on the lot - must be 6 months - all over 100K.

I asked one of the sales guys - just kinda threw up his hands and shook his head.
M4 CS runs until feb I believe. In the next 6 months they will probably get another M4 or two and then their M2 CS allocation(s) will come in. When the loaded M2 CS hits the floor with a markup , they will be able to sell off their M4 and will probably do so to customers looking for the M2 CS. With 20k off an M4 CS .... or simply far better lease rates, the M2 again will be used to step customers over to an M4.
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Parts bin? Oh, you mean like the 1M? Or the GT4? Or the iconic Lotus Espirit? Yeah, must be junk then.
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Parts bin by no means the end result is bad, but it should be a decent value. Economy of scale and all.
I think most of us (if not all of us) agree the M2 CS price should be somewhere in the mid-70s, high-70s at most. But the idea pushed by some that because a car draws from the parts bin that it's necessarily inferior or less valuable is hogwash. It's not like the M2 CS is just a parts bin Frankenstein, it presents a thoughtful evolution of the already successful M2.
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VTBoss

It has been driving me nuts, so I actually called the Chrysler dealership.

The salesman is not a BMW SA, obviously, so he was not nearly as aware of all the 'goodies' discussed so frequently on this forum. In the end, he said he would have to call me back after he investigated and had accurate answers to all the questions.

Here is what I can tell you he told me, other than what is obvious to our eyes and largely pointed out by you above. Please forgive any inaccuracies in the information I have obtained to date; I can only go by what I was told with noted caveat. By the way, thank you for taking the time.

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Carbon fiber roof and mirrors covers
Aftermarket exhaust (uncertain if MPE?)
Aftermarket suspension (uncertain of manufacturer/parts)
Uncertain regarding any aftermarket tuning or engine/power train parts
Uncertain, but believed the brakes were M Performance upgrade (not painted calipers).

If/when I hear back from Chrysler salesman, I will update accordingly.

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Appears to be a local one owner car with a clean Carfax

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http://www.carfax.com/cfm/ccc_Displa...2U7C53K7D14518

Assuming everything checks out and there are no known issues, it could end up being a very good deal for someone if they like all the mods and the DCT
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M4 CS runs until feb I believe. In the next 6 months they will probably get another M4 or two and then their M2 CS allocation(s) will come in. When the loaded M2 CS hits the floor with a markup , they will be able to sell off their M4 and will probably do so to customers looking for the M2 CS. With 20k off an M4 CS .... or simply far better lease rates, the M2 again will be used to step customers over to an M4.
Yep M4 CS ends production in February which makes sense since M2 CS begins a month later in March. Maybe they are trying to sell remaining M4 CS before announcing the M2 CS price.
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I think most of us (if not all of us) agree the M2 CS price should be somewhere in the mid-70s, high-70s at most. But the idea pushed by some that because a car draws from the parts bin that it's necessarily inferior or less valuable is hogwash. It's not like the M2 CS is just a parts bin Frankenstein, it presents a thoughtful evolution of the already successful M2.
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That's a recurrent point of criticism about the M2 CS: BMW smashing its own windows with the greedy M2 CS price positioning. If BMW would position the M2 CS base price at €75K-€80K (instead of €95K and more), it would be better received and generate more sales. Now BMW gets negative feedback. And 'limited edition' is just a marketing 101 trick for a money-grab that they forgot to apply with M4 CS and M3 CS sales.

The fact that BMW is still not disclosing the M2 CS price for the US, even at official presentation: as if BMW does not want to rain on its own parade.

During the closed room preview event of Sep 17, BMW announced a €91K base price (taxes included) for Belgium. On Nov 6 (less than 2 months later) base price was €96.5K (€5.5K extra). Frankly speaking, IMHO BMW greedily biting the hand that feeds it, does not reflect client care.
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It's certainly interesting to me that they wouldn't just reward the enthusiast with a great car by selling more of them for a little less. The 1M was and still is popular largely due to the volume of people that could then and still can afford it. You can't build a cult following without a cult. The M2 CS will just wind up being Wikipedia fodder that no one cares about because they've never seen one let alone driven one.
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It's certainly interesting to me that they wouldn't just reward the enthusiast with a great car by selling more of them for a little less. The 1M was and still is popular largely due to the volume of people that could then and still can afford it. You can't build a cult following without a cult. The M2 CS will just wind up being Wikipedia fodder that no one cares about because they've never seen one let alone driven one.
They are a for profit business first and foremost!

Then they are a hat for everyone else. Meaning they have a car for just about every taste. Small, big, slow, fast, low end, high end ect.

Lastly, they cater to the enthusiast.

Unfortunately, just the way of the world these days.

I guess we should just be happy they are still bothering with making cars like the M2cs
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It's certainly interesting to me that they wouldn't just reward the enthusiast with a great car by selling more of them for a little less. The 1M was and still is popular largely due to the volume of people that could then and still can afford it. You can't build a cult following without a cult. The M2 CS will just wind up being Wikipedia fodder that no one cares about because they've never seen one let alone driven one.
They are a for profit business first and foremost!

Then they are a hat for everyone else. Meaning they have a car for just about every taste. Small, big, slow, fast, low end, high end ect.

Lastly, they cater to the enthusiast.

Unfortunately, just the way of the world these days.

I guess we should just be happy they are still bothering with making cars like the M2cs
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BMW fans- " we should just be happy with what we get "
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I think business has forgotten how to create loyalty. Their charts merely show how to offset a loyalty decline. Hopefully the new head honcho helps reestablish brand loyalty. Downside is that it's gonna be electric boogie woogie woogie woogie
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I guess we should just be happy they are still bothering with making cars like the M2cs
Sure, if it was a reasonable price...otherwise, BMW can eat it - I'll go back to Porsche and buy a used car in a heartbeat
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It's certainly interesting to me that they wouldn't just reward the enthusiast with a great car by selling more of them for a little less. The 1M was and still is popular largely due to the volume of people that could then and still can afford it. You can't build a cult following without a cult. The M2 CS will just wind up being Wikipedia fodder that no one cares about because they've never seen one let alone driven one.
They are a for profit business first and foremost!

Then they are a hat for everyone else. Meaning they have a car for just about every taste. Small, big, slow, fast, low end, high end ect.

Lastly, they cater to the enthusiast.

Unfortunately, just the way of the world these days.

I guess we should just be happy they are still bothering with making cars like the M2cs
Yes. We should all Accept mediocrity.
I'm not saying we should settle for mediocrity.

I'm saying for a company like BMW to still bother with putting out these type of cars is a positive given the general direction of the automotive industry.

The reality is there are other brands that cater more to enthusiasts!......and maybe instead of bitching about what BMW did or didn't do, we should just look elsewhere if we are not satisfied with the offering.

As these cars like the M3gts M3/4cs and M2cs don't do well in the market.........well, eventually BMW will just throw in the towel and not even bother spending the development dollars to bring them to market in the future.

Maybe an eventuality if success is not found....and so far, not looking so great 😩
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It's certainly interesting to me that they wouldn't just reward the enthusiast with a great car by selling more of them for a little less. The 1M was and still is popular largely due to the volume of people that could then and still can afford it. You can't build a cult following without a cult. The M2 CS will just wind up being Wikipedia fodder that no one cares about because they've never seen one let alone driven one.
They are a for profit business first and foremost!

Then they are a hat for everyone else. Meaning they have a car for just about every taste. Small, big, slow, fast, low end, high end ect.

Lastly, they cater to the enthusiast.

Unfortunately, just the way of the world these days.

I guess we should just be happy they are still bothering with making cars like the M2cs
Yes. We should all Accept mediocrity.
I'm not saying we should settle for mediocrity.

I'm saying for a company like BMW to still bother with putting out these type of cars is a positive given the general direction of the automotive industry.

The reality is there are other brands that cater more to enthusiasts!......and maybe instead of bitching about what BMW did or didn't do, we should just look elsewhere if we are not satisfied with the offering.

As these cars like the M3gts M3/4cs and M2cs don't do well in the market.........well, eventually BMW will just throw in the towel and not even bother spending the development dollars to bring them to market in the future.

Maybe an eventuality if success is not found....and so far, not looking so great 😩
You make it sound like these cars not doing great isn't something bmw can control - it is.

Price the car properly instead of ripping customers off. There's a start.
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It's certainly interesting to me that they wouldn't just reward the enthusiast with a great car by selling more of them for a little less. The 1M was and still is popular largely due to the volume of people that could then and still can afford it. You can't build a cult following without a cult. The M2 CS will just wind up being Wikipedia fodder that no one cares about because they've never seen one let alone driven one.
They are a for profit business first and foremost!

Then they are a hat for everyone else. Meaning they have a car for just about every taste. Small, big, slow, fast, low end, high end ect.

Lastly, they cater to the enthusiast.

Unfortunately, just the way of the world these days.

I guess we should just be happy they are still bothering with making cars like the M2cs
Yes. We should all Accept mediocrity.
I'm not saying we should settle for mediocrity.

I'm saying for a company like BMW to still bother with putting out these type of cars is a positive given the general direction of the automotive industry.

The reality is there are other brands that cater more to enthusiasts!......and maybe instead of bitching about what BMW did or didn't do, we should just look elsewhere if we are not satisfied with the offering.

As these cars like the M3gts M3/4cs and M2cs don't do well in the market.........well, eventually BMW will just throw in the towel and not even bother spending the development dollars to bring them to market in the future.

Maybe an eventuality if success is not found....and so far, not looking so great 😩
You make it sound like these cars not doing great isn't something bmw can control - it is.

Price the car properly instead of ripping customers off. There's a start.
So, we don't know what BMW's development and testing costs are as well as a 100 other costs that go into bringing a limited production car to market. We just don't!

I'm not defending their pricing....I'm the first to say it seems high or there is no value ect.

However, they are pricing it to cover costs and make a profit. They are a for profit company.

So, if they can't manage to turn a profit on these limited special edition cars....they are simply not going to continue to make them.

Simple economics!
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It's certainly interesting to me that they wouldn't just reward the enthusiast with a great car by selling more of them for a little less. The 1M was and still is popular largely due to the volume of people that could then and still can afford it. You can't build a cult following without a cult. The M2 CS will just wind up being Wikipedia fodder that no one cares about because they've never seen one let alone driven one.
They are a for profit business first and foremost!

Then they are a hat for everyone else. Meaning they have a car for just about every taste. Small, big, slow, fast, low end, high end ect.

Lastly, they cater to the enthusiast.

Unfortunately, just the way of the world these days.

I guess we should just be happy they are still bothering with making cars like the M2cs
Yes. We should all Accept mediocrity.
I'm not saying we should settle for mediocrity.

I'm saying for a company like BMW to still bother with putting out these type of cars is a positive given the general direction of the automotive industry.

The reality is there are other brands that cater more to enthusiasts!......and maybe instead of bitching about what BMW did or didn't do, we should just look elsewhere if we are not satisfied with the offering.

As these cars like the M3gts M3/4cs and M2cs don't do well in the market.........well, eventually BMW will just throw in the towel and not even bother spending the development dollars to bring them to market in the future.

Maybe an eventuality if success is not found....and so far, not looking so great 😩
You make it sound like these cars not doing great isn't something bmw can control - it is.

Price the car properly instead of ripping customers off. There's a start.
So, we don't know what BMW's development and testing costs are as well as a 100 other costs that go into bringing a limited production car to market. We just don't!

I'm not defending their pricing....I'm the first to say it seems high or there is no value ect.

However, they are pricing it to cover costs and make a profit. They are a for profit company.

So, if they can't manage to turn a profit on these limited special edition cars....they are simply not going to continue to make them.

Simple economics!
It's a parts bin car nothing more nothing less.

I'm irritated how BMW tries to do this. That ate a big piece of humble pie on the M4CS.

There is a reason M4CS cars litter dealerships around the globe.

Let's hope they learn their lesson.
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That ate a big piece of humble pie on the M4CS.

There is a reason M4CS cars litter dealerships around the globe.

Let's hope they learn their lesson.
And still, these cars collect dust because the dealerships, at least here in the US, refuse to offer big discounts off of MSRP. I'm seeing nothing less than $105k which, to me, is about $30k more than what the M4 CS model is worth.

Their lesson has yet to be learned.
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That ate a big piece of humble pie on the M4CS.

There is a reason M4CS cars litter dealerships around the globe.

Let's hope they learn their lesson.
And still, these cars collect dust because the dealerships, at least here in the US, refuse to offer big discounts off of MSRP. I'm seeing nothing less than $105k which, to me, is about $35k more than what the M4 CS model is worth.

Their lesson has yet to be learned.
Yep. I picked up mine for the same price as a new M4 comp pack so for me it was a no brainer.

Don't get me wrong - Love everything about this car - it's the best of the entire generation but not for retail. For retail it's highway robbery.
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