[///393]

Installed a used (15k miles) TCK suspension and I’ve run into the following issue.

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TC indicated it may be bad bearings in the camber plates (which despite the used coilovers are new) and is sending new ones 2day at no cost to me but my wrench isn’t convinced as they were spinning unloaded.

Anyone know something we don’t?

[FaRKle!]

Do you have thrust sheets on the bottom at all?

[leopard print]

Hope you get your suspension sorted out.

Just wanted to say that that's outstanding customer service by TCK for sending you new camber plates even though you bought the set used. Glad I went with TCK for my car.

[///393]

Originally Posted by leopard print

Hope you get your suspension sorted out.

Just wanted to say that that's outstanding customer service by TCK for sending you new camber plates even though you bought the set used. Glad I went with TCK for my car.

While it was nice of him to answer the phone and send replacements, he missed the call of my tech and hadn’t yet returned the call when I phoned again a couple hours later.

And again, while it was nice to send replacements, having to pay for labor to jockey these in/out/in/out/in has been less than ideal.

FaRKle! yeah they’re on there. Thanks for taking a look and for any thoughts…

[M Fifty]

Is this with the stock top plate (which has a built in thrust race behind the spring seat), or something else?

Edit: I ask as it looks like the spring isn't freely rotating at the top as it should - so something is binding.

[leopard print]

Originally Posted by wilson kop

While it was nice of him to answer the phone and send replacements, he missed the call of my tech and hadn’t yet returned the call when I phoned again a couple hours later.

And again, while it was nice to send replacements, having to pay for labor to jockey these in/out/in/out/in has been less than ideal.

FaRKle! yeah they’re on there. Thanks for taking a look and for any thoughts…

Definitely sounds like a frustrating situation you're in. I truly do hope you get it sorted out. Please keep us updated on what the issue is.

[HP Autosport]

Adding Swift thrust sheets can solve the issue and/or use camber plates with both thrust and radial bearings.

[///393]

Using brand new out the box OG M2 TCK plates.

After learning what thrust sheets are, I’ve ordered the following Bimmerworld “Torrington Bearings”

https://www.bimmerworld.com/Suspensi...aring-Kit.html

TC indicated,

“The bearings should take care of it.

If you like the thrust sheets, that’s ok too, but they should not be necessary.”

We shall see. My wrench has the Covids so it may be next week until I get everything in and installed.

I found it interesting this issue was documented back in 2011 in this thread where someone referenced “Erik” at TCK who was recommending thrust sheets as the fix.

https://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=504218

Other threads on the M3 side say the Torrington bearings give out after a while. Considering not fooling with them maybe after all. Fingers crossed the replacement camber plate bearing does the trick…

Otherwise it may be time for MCS and Vorschlag.

[inTgr8r]

I tried Torringtons once and never again. (came with coilover pkg)
They have exposed bearing races.

IMO they're best on a dedicated track machine that gets serviced/dismantled regularly.
On a street machine that does some track time, they get filled up with dirt and grit and are useless.

[///393]

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

I tried Torringtons once and never again. (came with coilover pkg)
They have exposed bearing races.

IMO they're best on a dedicated track machine that gets serviced/dismantled regularly.
On a street machine that does some track time, they get filled up with dirt and grit and are useless.

This is what I’m reading…

May skip them in that case and hang my hat on the replacement bearing working correctly. If not, I’ll go back to the drawing board. Maybe go to Vorschlag plates?

[HP Autosport]

Originally Posted by wilson kop

Using brand new out the box OG M2 TCK plates.

After learning what thrust sheets are, I’ve ordered the following Bimmerworld “Torrington Bearings”

https://www.bimmerworld.com/Suspensi...aring-Kit.html

TC indicated,

“The bearings should take care of it.

If you like the thrust sheets, that’s ok too, but they should not be necessary.”

We shall see. My wrench has the Covids so it may be next week until I get everything in and installed.

I found it interesting this issue was documented back in 2011 in this thread where someone referenced “Erik” at TCK who was recommending thrust sheets as the fix.

https://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=504218

Other threads on the M3 side say the Torrington bearings give out after a while. Considering not fooling with them maybe after all. Fingers crossed the replacement camber plate bearing does the trick…

Otherwise it may be time for MCS and Vorschlag.

The Torrington bearings will require lots of maintenance. Try to keep them clean free debris.

Swift thrust sheets and camber plates with a radial load bearing(sometimes this feature along can eliminate all spring bind) still has my vote for a street driven vehicle. The radial load bearing is sealed and will likely outlast the spherical bearing.

[///393]

Thanks to all for your thoughts and replies. Much appreciated.

Should the replacement bearings TC sends not solve the problem, I’ll move on to Vorshlag and swift thrust sheets.

[riko///m2]

What is the condition of the strut nut and aluminum sleeve? I recommend replacing them along with the new bearings.


https://www.tcklineracing.com/webdoc...Details815.cfm

Originally Posted by wilson kop

Thanks to all for your thoughts and replies. Much appreciated.

Should the replacement bearings TC sends not solve the problem, I’ll move on to Vorshlag and swift thrust sheets.

[///393]

Originally Posted by riko///m2

What is the condition of the strut nut and aluminum sleeve? I recommend replacing them along with the new bearings.


https://www.tcklineracing.com/webdoc...Details815.cfm

Thanks for this! I’ll have to inquire with my wrench on their condition but given the circumstances and cost it can’t hurt.

I’ll see if I can get these shipped in time.

[///393]

The replacement camber plate bearings TC sent resolved the problem just as he stated they would. I’m so stoked.

My wrench said they looked noticeably different.

While it sucked to have to fight this, TC Kline’s reputation of great customer service in an era where that no longer really exists holds.

Is he the only suspension shop that answers the phone and is a good person? Nah, but they’re more and more rare in the performance game so we all need to appreciate what we have.

[leopard print]

Originally Posted by wilson kop

The replacement camber plate bearings TC sent resolved the problem just as he stated they would. I’m so stoked.

My wrench said they looked noticeably different.

While it sucked to have to fight this, TC Kline’s reputation of great customer service in an era where that no longer really exists holds.

Is he the only suspension shop that answers the phone and is a good person? Nah, but they’re more and more rare in the performance game so we all need to appreciate what we have.

Excellent news! Glad you got it sorted.

[gphung]

Originally Posted by wilson kop

The replacement camber plate bearings TC sent resolved the problem just as he stated they would. I'm so stoked.

My wrench said they looked noticeably different.

While it sucked to have to fight this, TC Kline's reputation of great customer service in an era where that no longer really exists holds.

Is he the only suspension shop that answers the phone and is a good person? Nah, but they're more and more rare in the performance game so we all need to appreciate what we have.

Glad you got it resolved.

I know the question was a bit rhetorical, but regardless, I had the infamous clunking with my Ohlins R&T that many of us have. Called them and the folks there were understanding, and covered the rebuild on their dime despite me technically being out of their limited warranty period. I had similar woes as you did (added cost to mechanics), and while that sucked, I'm definitely glad to have my problem acknowledged and ultimately resolved too.

[///393]

Originally Posted by gphung

Glad you got it resolved.

I know the question was a bit rhetorical, but regardless, I had the infamous clunking with my Ohlins R&T that many of us have. Called them and the folks there were understanding, and covered the rebuild on their dime despite me technically being out of their limited warranty period. I had similar woes as you did (added cost to mechanics), and while that sucked, I'm definitely glad to have my problem acknowledged and ultimately resolved too.

Is that issue with the Ohlins R&T unique to the F87 spec unit?

[gphung]

Originally Posted by wilson kop

Is that issue with the Ohlins R&T unique to the F87 spec unit?

Seems so, but it has Ohlins puzzled last I spoke with them to be honest. We knew the root cause to be due to the internal bushing changing parts from some brass(?) construction to PTFE. All they did in all of the examples in the below thread (including me) was revert back to their old style bushing and the issue was gone.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...2#post25216872

However, the guy on the phone (who honestly isn't just some typical front line support or sales folk) said they haven't gotten any complaints from M3/M4 owners; only M2 owners. So I'm not really sure what to make of that. I'm pretty sure the Ohlins R&T part number is the same for both chassis, but I might be wrong.

[HP Autosport]

Originally Posted by gphung

Seems so, but it has Ohlins puzzled last I spoke with them to be honest. We knew the root cause to be due to the internal bushing changing parts from some brass(?) construction to PTFE. All they did in all of the examples in the below thread (including me) was revert back to their old style bushing and the issue was gone.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...2#post25216872

However, the guy on the phone (who honestly isn't just some typical front line support or sales folk) said they haven't gotten any complaints from M3/M4 owners; only M2 owners. So I'm not really sure what to make of that. I'm pretty sure the Ohlins R&T part number is the same for both chassis, but I might be wrong.

Yes, now they are the same. Before they were only different because of the spring rates and rear damper length(same damper just adjusted to different length). Maybe there is more to it. An Ohlins engineer can tell you the internal differences if any.