[hayes180]

Originally Posted by ScottGregory

You may not be able to get an E30 M3 from Singer, but you could get the Redux E30 M3 Leichtbau
http://reduxleichtbau.com

awesome

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by hyperzulu

Well I guess the whole bespoke/unique seat talk is just contrast stitching? The Sport Line 228i has contrast stitching. Why all the talk of unique seats and covers over the test mules if it's the same damn seats you get on any other BMW with a bit of help from Ish at West Coast Customs???

LOL at the comment about Ish from WCC..

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by W///

What difference were they expecting? It's been known for a long time that the M2 will be more or less an M235i+. I've said it before, I'm a big fan of the base M235i, and would have bought that car if the M2 didn't exist. All I wanted were brakes, suspension, direct mounted subframe and diff from the M3/4.

Some people wanted a 2800 lbs and S55 powered M2 with 400+hp for $45k.

What would put my plans on hold is if BMW were crazy enough to price the M2 past $55k.

yeah that would be a serious deal breaker for many. 53K would be nice but I expect it will come in just under the bar you set.

[W///]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

yeah that would be a serious deal breaker for many. 53K would be nice but I expect it will come in just under the bar you set.

I just cannot see the M2 being closer price-wise to the M3, than the M235i. I think it'll either be exactly half way, if not closer to the M235i than the M3.

Otherwise that'll be a deal breaker for me as well.

[Downeaster1]

I just don't understand this whole thing. I honestly don't see how anyone can be impressed by it. Don't get me wrong; I love BMW's. I've only had BMW's, I'm a BMW technician and go to BMW events, but this stupid car is just too little for too much. So far from what I've read, it just has an N55 with a few different parts and a tune, four tail pipes and wider fenders? That makes it an M car?

[W///]

Originally Posted by Downeaster1

I just don't understand this whole thing. I honestly don't see how anyone can be impressed by it. Don't get me wrong; I love BMW's. I've only had BMW's, I'm a BMW technician and go to BMW events, but this stupid car is just too little for too much. So far from what I've read, it just has an N55 with a few different parts and a tune, four tail pipes and wider fenders? That makes it an M car?

Hmm where have I heard that before. Oh that's right:


I know better to:
1) Learn from history
2) Try out the car before deciding

Unless of course you think the 1M is not an M car.

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by Downeaster1

I just don't understand this whole thing. I honestly don't see how anyone can be impressed by it. Don't get me wrong; I love BMW's. I've only had BMW's, I'm a BMW technician and go to BMW events, but this stupid car is just too little for too much. So far from what I've read, it just has an N55 with a few different parts and a tune, four tail pipes and wider fenders? That makes it an M car?

You do realize that it has the F8X suspension and LSD? That is more than a few different parts.

[Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by dd1981

Won't have to go far..I'd do a ED M3 @$57k and feel pretty damn good about it instead of second guessing my purchase of a $5000 cheaper vehicle that will never come close to delivering the same performance.

But...I guess BMW wants this all along. Worm on a hook.

So why use ED pricing for your base model M3 and not for the M2? My guess is this thing comes in at $50995, or with standard Nav at 52895. Thats a 10k swing. Guess what.....thats a chunk of money. Its getting really hard to read all these comments complaining about a car that we really still dont know much about, but we are screaming to be made but want BMW to just give it to us.

Everything is done for a reason. My prediction is that this car is going to be amazing. I hope the thing comes with cloth. This is the car BMW fans have been screaming for. WE say they have lost their way and this is their answer. Yet, we are crying about leather seats and 20 million drivetrain settings?!

And if you think it wont give an M4 a run for its money....I just...can't...even..

[hyperzulu]

Originally Posted by Tomahawk

So why use ED pricing for your base model M3 and not for the M2? My guess is this thing comes in at $50995, or with standard Nav at 52895. Thats a 10k swing. Guess what.....thats a chunk of money. Its getting really hard to read all these comments complaining about a car that we really still dont know much about, but we are screaming to be made but want BMW to just give it to us.

Everything is done for a reason. My prediction is that this car is going to be amazing. I hope the thing comes with cloth. This is the car BMW fans have been screaming for. WE say they have lost their way and this is their answer. Yet, we are crying about leather seats and 20 million drivetrain settings?!

And if you think it wont give an M4 a run for its money....I just...can't...even..

haha true - if you're going to use ED M3 numbers, apples to apples. I think the tough choice is for someone leasing and sees a monthly of $750 for the M2 vs $800 for the M3. But then again, I passed on the M4 because of its size, not its cost. So the M3 wouldn't seriously interest me any more just because it was a better value. I still have to say, if you're cross shopping the M3 with a 2 series, might as well buy the M3. You get the niche 2 series for different reasons, none of them being how well they stack up on paper against its bigger brothers.

[filet.M2c]

Originally Posted by Downeaster1

I just don't understand this whole thing. I honestly don't see how anyone can be impressed by it. Don't get me wrong; I love BMW's. I've only had BMW's, I'm a BMW technician and go to BMW events, but this stupid car is just too little for too much. So far from what I've read, it just has an N55 with a few different parts and a tune, four tail pipes and wider fenders? That makes it an M car?

I get where you are coming from. I am also a little concerned that BMW may be choke holding the M2 too much to avoid infringing on the M3/4. The N55, lack of CF roof, limited paint/ interior choices, and the possibility of having seats similar to the m235i (maybe). Regardless of what others are saying, these are all things many of us would consider negative. I understand this is following the 1M formula, but BMW has had a much longer time for development this time around and I expect it to show. So for me, I will wait until the full reveal, pricing info, and a test drive before I jump to any conclusions. I am really hoping the M2 is great, but if the amenities don't come along with an appropriate price then I'll look elsewhere.

[Jadar]

Originally Posted by Tomahawk

So why use ED pricing for your base model M3 and not for the M2? My guess is this thing comes in at $50995, or with standard Nav at 52895. Thats a 10k swing. Guess what.....thats a chunk of money. Its getting really hard to read all these comments complaining about a car that we really still dont know much about, but we are screaming to be made but want BMW to just give it to us.

Everything is done for a reason. My prediction is that this car is going to be amazing. I hope the thing comes with cloth. This is the car BMW fans have been screaming for. WE say they have lost their way and this is their answer. Yet, we are crying about leather seats and 20 million drivetrain settings?!

Sigh...because... Even @ ED OF $50k the M2 comes dangerously close to another car I'm cross shopping. The Gt350 which I get on A PLAN (employee pricing). Soooo no cryin from me I just know what the hell I want. I love the fact the M2 will exist and will be a pure driver focused car.
But it will not deliver the performance at the price point that I can have with a couple other cars. You can scream refinement against bmw's M2 vs a GT350 but I'll say bullshit. Come sit in my wife's loaded 228i m sport and that car screams plastic panels. M2 will feature pretty much the same interior. On refinement levels gt350 will = m2.



So in conclusion I may trickle over to the M3 on a ED program. It's merely a personal choice. Like I said no complaining here just at that price for MY money, the M2 doesn't work for me. It's all.

And because I don't want a premium seat with blue stitching, I want this...

[Downeaster1]

Originally Posted by W///

Hmm where have I heard that before. Oh that's right:


I know better to:
1) Learn from history
2) Try out the car before deciding

Unless of course you think the 1M is not an M car.

That's correct. I don't. Yes, I think it's cool, and yes I think its a fun car, but it just seems like both cars are trying to convince you they are something that they are not.

Originally Posted by IS3andME

You do realize that it has the F8X suspension and LSD? That is more than a few different parts.

[Downeaster1]

Originally Posted by synergist

I get where you are coming from. I am also a little concerned that BMW may be choke holding the M2 too much to avoid infringing on the M3/4. The N55, lack of CF roof, limited paint/ interior choices, and the possibility of having seats similar to the m235i (maybe). Regardless of what others are saying, these are all things many of us would consider negative. I understand this is following the 1M formula, but BMW has had a much longer time for development this time around and I expect it to show. So for me, I will wait until the full reveal, pricing info, and a test drive before I jump to any conclusions. I am really hoping the M2 is great, but if the amenities don't come along with an appropriate price then I'll look elsewhere.

Exactly my standpoint. I won't draw a final conclusion until I see the final product, but I'm not holding my breath either. For the time spent that they've been putting into this thing, it should have been far better.

[r3dbimmer89]

Originally Posted by Swiss Chris

The M2 needs ///M seats, Merino Leather, and optional extended leather and contrasting stitching on the dashboard.

Just a shame if the production car has a poor standard 1-2 series interior

Make it an affordable ///M for those who want is good. But come on BMW, let the others (those who just do not like the M4...) correctly equip their M2 !!!

I doubt it'll have the option to get extended leather with contrast stitching. We have to think about the capabilities of the Leipzig factory and I read somewhere on here that plant doesn't have the flexibility to offer the 2 series extended leather or contrast stitching. I also read the only color option for the ///M2 will be black with blue stitching.

It's definitely going to have an LSD, F8x suspension, and a DCT.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Downeaster1

I just don't understand this whole thing. I honestly don't see how anyone can be impressed by it. Don't get me wrong; I love BMW's. I've only had BMW's, I'm a BMW technician and go to BMW events, but this stupid car is just too little for too much. So far from what I've read, it just has an N55 with a few different parts and a tune, four tail pipes and wider fenders? That makes it an M car?

Well...no - you could make that argument about the 235 - but not the M2. And that's because all of the shit that matters from a handling point of view will be from the M3.

My 235 was wallow-y (yes, I just made that up) because it suffered from body roll, too compliant of a suspension (for me) and poor feel from the brakes. The M2 should not have any of those problems, because I've driven the M3 and M4 and they don't suffer from that at all.

People are pissed because there's only 4 exterior colors. One interior color. Lack of interior options (prediction), etc., etc...so no biggie - the car isn't for you. It's really as simple as that.

PS - I have never been impressed with the N55, but the S55 is great. My guess is that the N55 in the M2 will feel more like the S55 than a standard issue N55...and because the handling will be so much better, well you won't even notice. Lack of power was never a problem on the 235 for me.

[GetAlife75]

Originally Posted by Swiss Chris

The M2 needs ///M seats, Merino Leather, and optional extended leather and contrasting stitching on the dashboard.

Just a shame if the production car has a poor standard 1-2 series interior

Make it an affordable ///M for those who want is good. But come on BMW, let the others (those who just do not like the M4...) correctly equip their M2 !!!

I absolutely agree with you Mister Swiss Chris!

[Jadar]

Originally Posted by Downeaster1

That's correct. I don't. Yes, I think it's cool, and yes I think its a fun car, but it just seems like both cars are trying to convince you they are something that they are not.

At least you will be able to DD the M2 and not feel as guilty. Since the higher production numbers. With the 1M not many wanted to drive them due to rarity.

[M3 Number 86]

This is actually better. what good is a one piece seat if it doesn't even have holes for harnesses? At least with these you can still use quick fit pro and mount a gopro

[Jadar]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

Yeah, and it was disappointing to a degree. I had one and loved it, but it wasn't a good thing.

The seats being standard 235 seats to me being ok is highly dependent on price.

The 1m didn't have the cf roof, a special motor, or special seats. But it was like 46k and a lot cheaper than an m3. Let's see what this costs

Without those features, I have zero interest at a price any higher than 50k ish. :twocents:

And also at the time the F80 seat didn't exist

Let's be frank and agree that the e9x inheritor sucked a bit and the e9x seats weren't anything to rave about. I think it's why I'm disappointed at the M2 seats. Once you see and sit in the f80 you won't settle for less.

[Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by dd1981

Sigh...because... Even @ ED OF $50k the M2 comes dangerously close to another car I'm cross shopping. The Gt350 which I get on A PLAN (employee pricing). Soooo no cryin from me I just know what the hell I want. I love the fact the M2 will exist and will be a pure driver focused car.
But it will not deliver the performance at the price point that I can have with a couple other cars. You can scream refinement against bmw's M2 vs a GT350 but I'll say bullshit. Come sit in my wife's loaded 228i m sport and that car screams plastic panels. M2 will feature pretty much the same interior. On refinement levels gt350 will = m2.



So in conclusion I may trickle over to the M3 on a ED program. It's merely a personal choice. Like I said no complaining here just at that price for MY money, the M2 doesn't work for me. It's all.

And because I don't want a premium seat with blue stitching, I want this...

The crying bit wasnt aimed at you, directly. There is more to cross shopping than price point, IMO. FWIW, I think the GT350 is pretty BA.

My feeling about the M2 is this isnt for people considering Mustangs or Mercs, for that matter. Its for the BMW guy/girl who longs for a modern e46 M3. The flip side is BMW is gonna make you pay. It will be the better M car. A great as the 911 is, the Cayman is the better Porsche. My gut tells me this will be the same situation.

[W///]

Originally Posted by dd1981

Sigh...because... Even @ ED OF $50k the M2 comes dangerously close to another car I'm cross shopping. The Gt350 which I get on A PLAN (employee pricing). Soooo no cryin from me I just know what the hell I want. I love the fact the M2 will exist and will be a pure driver focused car.
But it will not deliver the performance at the price point that I can have with a couple other cars. You can scream refinement against bmw's M2 vs a GT350 but I'll say bullshit. Come sit in my wife's loaded 228i m sport and that car screams plastic panels. M2 will feature pretty much the same interior. On refinement levels gt350 will = m2.



So in conclusion I may trickle over to the M3 on a ED program. It's merely a personal choice. Like I said no complaining here just at that price for MY money, the M2 doesn't work for me. It's all.

And because I don't want a premium seat with blue stitching, I want this...

Just reading from this post alone, I can tell you right now that the M2 is not for you.

Hell you can compare ANY M cars that BMW makes (M2/3/6) to the GT350 and they'll come short in the performance category. As a matter of fact, I predict the GT350 will take out many cars that are much more expensive than it.

If pure speed and performance is what you are looking for, the M2 is not for you. The car will come will have over 100 less HP than the Ford. How is it supposed to compete?

Personally, while I very much respect the GT350, it's not the car for me. I have 0 use for 500 hp on an every day basis. My emphasis is on it being fun and nimble, while having more than enough power for daily driving, which the M2 ticks all those boxes. The M3, not so much, because it's a bigger car than I want, although I haven't ruled out having it be my mini-M5.

Like dmboone is saying, the M2 is not pretending to be something it's not. It will neither be as quick as the GT350 or the M3, but it should certainly be more playful.

[Jadar]

Originally Posted by W///

And I want an E30 M3 made by Singer, but that's not going to happen is it?

You are in the minority, that is willing to drop that kind of money on a car that's supposed to be a "starter" M. $9000 for CCB, $5000 for Individual, $3600 for extended leather. $17000 on those options alone.

I'm saying this because I happen to be in the car industry: It's nowhere as easy as you think to do those things. You can't just add extended leather (or HUD as a matter of fact) on a car that does not have it standard. You can't just add whatever paint you want in a factory that isn't equipped to do Individual.

My point is, just because it's developed for the bigger M cars doesn't mean you can just drop it into the M2.

Heck if your budget is so infinite, you can more or less do all those mods yourself. Not saying it'll be cheap, but look at what iND did with that blue M235i.

This man speaks the truth.

I'm also in the automotive industry, manufacturing and early stage development. Now not all panels but some panels will be custom to the M2, and to change a die for this particular panel costs hundreds of thousands of dollars. Sometimes millions depending on the part and volume of vehicles it may or may not be worth it. In this case hell no is it worth it for BMW because this will be such a low volume car. Theyre going to have to use the M235 parts bin as much as possible to keep it cheap and profitable. It is what it is.