[Diver]

If the M2 drives like the 1M, the complaints are going to evaporate fast.

[W///]

Originally Posted by bim2er

The console gear lever does not appear to be an 8AT gear lever. It appears to be a DCT gear lever. I don't see Park anywhere.

The photo shows the difference.

The X5/6M has the same gear lever as a DCT, yet it's an 8AT. That's the whole reason why we don't quite know what it really is.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by bim2er

The console gear lever does not appear to be an 8AT gear lever. It appears to be a DCT gear lever. I don't see Park anywhere.

The photo shows the difference.

The lever means nothing. Go look at the X5M/X6M.

[MTHRAR]

Originally Posted by synergist

6MT for me all the way, so I have little care on the matter

+1. I am in the same boat.

[yousefnjr]

Parked next to a new Camry today, it has black leather with red stitching... Just saying...

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

Parked next to a new Camry today, it has black leather with red stitching... Just saying...

Parked next to a new P1 today, it has black leather with yellow stitching... Just saying...

[swagon]

Originally Posted by W///

+1. His success is pretty good. I'd trust him before I trust anyone else, not to mention the tricks that BMW might be pulling.

That man is golden.

[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Parked next to a new P1 today, it has black leather with yellow stitching... Just saying...

I realize you're kidding, but that's sort of the point. If cars at the cheap and not-so-cheap ends of the spectrum all have contrast stitching, why is blue stitching on the seats such a big deal. IMO, there are many details of way greater importance

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

I realize you're kidding, but that's sort of the point. If cars at the cheap and not-so-cheap ends of the spectrum all have contrast stitching, why is blue stitching on the seats such a big deal. IMO, there are many details of way greater importance

It's a big deal to some because a few months back it was revealed that the car would only get black seats with blue stitching. Blue being symbolic of the "M" brand as it is an "M" color. Like bright blue is associated with Maserati.
So, if your only choice is black seats, and the blue stitching symbolizes "M", people are going to go on about it. Especially when you don't have much of choice in terms of seat colors.

[chris82]

If all the performance aspects are there; they get the engine right, it sounds good, drives well, and has a 'raw' driving experience, who honestly gives a flying f*ck about the god damn contrasting seat stitching and the other minor details you are all whining about? Oh yea I forgot, because that's what an M car is about, the color of the stitching on the seats. But what if the stitching doesn't perfectly match the steering wheel stitching??? Oh my god, it's the death of the M car as we know it!!!

[SGL]

Originally Posted by Celestion

Compared to my Focus ST Recaro seats, my m235i seats aren't that good. With deeper bolstering, the m235i seats would be totally adequate. They don't need to be the m3/m4 seats IMO.



I wouldn't give up all hope. The i3, which is made in the same factory as the m235i (and the upcoming M2), uses lower cost, easier to make, less aesthetic carbon fiber. I've seen it in person and it looks nothing like the stuff in the m3/m4 roof. The i3's carbon fiber is straight up ugly. If any external body panels where made out of the i3-style carbon fiber they'd need to be painted.

I honestly don't care about being able to see the fiber anyway. This is supposed to be the ultimate driver's car, not a status symbol.

Most carbon fiber used by companies has a layer of cosmetic carbon weave over it to make sure it looks "pretty" if it isnt going to be painted, it may be, like you said, BMW is going with lower cost carbon layup and not using a cosmetic layup that in the end would save them money. BMW has invested in SGL to make them the largest carbon fiber manufacturers in the world, with the capacity to make around 18 million pounds of carbon fiber a year so i think BMW isn't going to be shy with what they use carbon fiber on.

[hyperzulu]

Originally Posted by chris82

If all the performance aspects are there; they get the engine right, it sounds good, drives well, and has a 'raw' driving experience, who honestly gives a flying f*ck about the god damn contrasting seat stitching and the other minor details you are all whining about? Oh yea I forgot, because that's what an M car is about, the color of the stitching on the seats. But what if the stitching doesn't perfectly match the steering wheel stitching??? Oh my god, it's the death of the M car as we know it!!!

Good. Since you don't care about the package, why not just buy this instead, it's only $45,500 and has everything you seem to care about in spades:

[chris82]

Originally Posted by hyperzulu

Good. Since you don't care about the package, why not just buy this instead, it's only $45,500 and has everything you seem to care about in spades:

Point is, if it has all the M driving characteristics, who's really going to be bent outta shape about an interior that didn't quite live up to expectations? If it has something like the 1M did, which had very, very minor interior changes from the non-M 1 series, that'll be enough to please the people that will buy this car.

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by chris82

If all the performance aspects are there; they get the engine right, it sounds good, drives well, and has a 'raw' driving experience, who honestly gives a flying f*ck about the god damn contrasting seat stitching and the other minor details you are all whining about? Oh yea I forgot, because that's what an M car is about, the color of the stitching on the seats. But what if the stitching doesn't perfectly match the steering wheel stitching??? Oh my god, it's the death of the M car as we know it!!!

And I agree with you. But to some people, "it has blue stitching on the seats".

[bobloblaw]

Originally Posted by hwelvaar

"I want special seats... Not the same as M235i."
"I want special/dual clutch."
"I want this and that or no sale!"


You all sound like you have special needs


This M2 is entry-level M, at entry-level M pricing. If you want the upscale equipment, buy the upscale car.

Signed, a former 1M owner.

How is it unreasonable to want M seats and MDCT in an M car? I agree that if people are expecting a CF roof and driveshaft or something they will probably be disappointed, but I mean I don't think wanting M seats is unreasonable at all.

[loxxrider]

I don't think a carbon driveshaft is even that unreasonable considering that a 1991 Audi 90 came with one from the factory 24 years ago.

[Bemo]

Originally Posted by bobloblaw

How is it unreasonable to want M seats and MDCT in an M car? I agree that if people are expecting a CF roof and driveshaft or something they will probably be disappointed, but I mean I don't think wanting M seats is unreasonable at all.

It's not unreasonable at all, don't bother explaining.
But let's play out the reverse use case, the ///M division would like to charge YOU ///M money therefore they need to deliver ///M performance.
Some are saying it's the entry level so be it. The hardcore enthusiasts that want a smaller lighter chassis and are willing to pay extra get shafted.
Porsche in the meantime has the GT4!
Any questions?

[hyperzulu]

Originally Posted by chris82

Point is, if it has all the M driving characteristics, who's really going to be bent outta shape about an interior that didn't quite live up to expectations? If it has something like the 1M did, which had very, very minor interior changes from the non-M 1 series, that'll be enough to please the people that will buy this car.

And my point is there are obviously many cars aimed at those who want the purest driving experience for cheaper. It's even more unreasonable to expect a BMW to be a purely driver's car these days than it is to expect them to be aesthetically pleasing - M or not. You're paying a premium for the car but are OK with them delivering something you can probably get for cheaper. That's your choice and I'm fine with it, but some of us expect it to still be a premium executive car at $60k. There's nothing "entry-level" about a $60k car. That ship sailed $40,000 ago. So, yeah if I'm paying that, the last thing I want is for someone to step into my car and be like, "ehhh you paid how much for this?" Just being honest.

[Spook410]

'Executive car'? Umm.. no. This is a 2 series. Young professionals and all that. This is the entry level car. If you're looking to impress the non-initiated with your financial wherewithal this isn't the right car. Much of the value is hidden to all but the enthusiast and Buffy just isn't going to get it.

At the other end of the spectrum, like many, the only time mine would see a track is on special open track days. Still, fast on backroads, up/down the local mountain, and long-legged desert runs may make it worth the price of admission. And I'm starting to wonder about what magic could happen with a slightly lighter car. Nothing like a little blind optimism..

[Anderw]

LOL at all these people bickering about the stitching on a seat in a pre production interior of a test car

[Swiss Chris]

Originally Posted by Bemo

It's not unreasonable at all, don't bother explaining.
But let's play out the reverse use case, the ///M division would like to charge YOU ///M money therefore they need to deliver ///M performance.
Some are saying it's the entry level so be it. The hardcore enthusiasts that want a smaller lighter chassis and are willing to pay extra get shafted.
Porsche in the meantime has the GT4!
Any questions?

Just what I tried to explain 10 pages ago, but only a few people here seem to understand the difference between serial and optional Equipment.

It also looks impossible for those people to understand that maybe some people want an M2 because they prefer it over the M4 and not (or not only) because the M2 is cheaper.

When I see how lots of 1M's look today (in Switerland, Germany, USA...) loaded with special wheels, Recaro seats, carbone everywhere, KW suspensions, 400+hp prepared engines, Akrapovic Evolution... Seems clear to me that the only goal of the owners was to have a cheap ///M

Some even told me it was impossible for BMW to add on the M2 some equipments available on the M4. Sure it's too complicate for a company as BMW, in 2015, to plug M4 seats or CCB brakes on the M2

[swagon]

Eh, the M4 has M seats and yet we see people installing Recaros and whatnot. I'm not fussed about M Sport seats. For me, they're totally fine.