[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by JTO24

I'll assist! So the M4 ZCP seats are supposed to be optional on the M2 "competition". I believe they will be covered in Dakota leather like the current M2; you'll also have the option of blue or orange stitching.. I think, too, perforated dakota will be an option - whether that's tied to the upgraded seats or not, IDK.

I have a local dealer offering a great deal on an '18 M2 6mt but I'm torn on whether to get it (as the current M2 is sufficient for me) or wait to hear more info on the official release of the "competition". I feel the "competition" will have a base MSRP below $60k with options moving it to upper 60's if fully loaded, kinda like the RS3. If that's the case, I might regret not waiting a bit to spend similar money on the more powerful car.

All I want is a car that handles, feels, and sounds like my 981...but goes like my F80. And has the same level of "nice stuff" on the inside, particularly the tech. And isn't 991.2 GTS level money.

The ZCP seats are very nice, so that would be cool - but you definitely feel like you're in a nicer place in the F80/82 (or the 981 for that matter). I hope they take a shot at that, but we might be limited to the changes that can be made based upon production supplies and realities.

[Benef1cient]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

All I want is a car that handles, feels, and sounds like my 981...but goes like my F80. And has the same level of "nice stuff" on the inside, particularly the tech. And isn't 991.2 GTS level money.

The ZCP seats are very nice, so that would be cool - but you definitely feel like you're in a nicer place in the F80/82 (or the 981 for that matter). I hope they take a shot at that, but we might be limited to the changes that can be made based upon production supplies and realities.

Wait till 2H of the year and you got your answer - 718 GT4

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Benef1cient

Wait till 2H of the year and you got your answer - 718 GT4

Agreed.

I am expecting a decent price bump for the 718 GT4, especially if that car gets a GT-level engine, and not a 991.2 S hand-me-down like the 981 version (not that anything was wrong with that engine, but having a true GT spec motor would definitely raise the price).

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Tag

Gatte

Am I close?

This looks a little too previous-gen Z4 to me - sort of rounder than I would expect it to look like if that makes sense.

Good effort for sure. is there a way to make it more squat?

[Tag]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

This looks a little too previous-gen Z4 to me - sort of rounder than I would expect it to look like if that makes sense.

Good effort for sure. is there a way to make it more squat?

I'm sure someone out there with skills could pick up where I left off. I seriously don't have the time. You can see I had to get back to work by the time I started to edit the kidneys, they're a bit sloppy. Hope my boss isn't on this forum...

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Tag

I'm sure someone out there with skills could pick up where I left off. I seriously don't have the time. You can see I had to get back to work by the time I started to edit the kidneys, they're a bit sloppy. Hope my boss isn't on this forum...

No worries - like I said, good effort based on how much of the picture was originally leaked.

I can't tell if the kidneys will be bigger, or just angled differently. The lower part of the bumper is definitely more angular in the partially leaked photo, as compared to the civic M2. That might be a design trend that is consistent throughout the front (and perhaps rear?) end revisions.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

No worries - like I said, good effort based on how much of the picture was originally leaked.

I can't tell if the kidneys will be bigger, or just angled differently. The lower part of the bumper is definitely more angular in the partially leaked photo, as compared to the civic M2. That might be a design trend that is consistent throughout the front (and perhaps rear?) end revisions.

It's not perfect by any means. The pic was taken on a slight angle and standing somewhat close to the car while looking down, terrible perspective, but it's all I had to work with. That messes with proportions, had to tweak things a bit to get it looking OK. Trust me, the real car will look better than any Photoshop based off a crappy pic.

[PARTS@STBMW]

Hmmm....

[BishUK]

4 pages of parking sensor nonsense.
Can someone just post the bloody video!!
Pleeeeeeeeeeeease...
It's only a car.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by BishUK

4 pages of parking sensor nonsense.
Can someone just post the bloody video!!
Pleeeeeeeeeeeease...
It's only a car.

Seriously I cannot believe we are discussing parking aids in an enthusiast forum.

[M2Nebula]

Curb your enthusiasm instead of your wheels?

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by M2Nebula

Curb your enthusiasm instead of your wheels?

Speaking of which, I hope the ZCP/CS comes with the 666M wheels - they look awesome on the M2.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Agreed.

I am expecting a decent price bump for the 718 GT4, especially if that car gets a GT-level engine, and not a 991.2 S hand-me-down like the 981 version (not that anything was wrong with that engine, but having a true GT spec motor would definitely raise the price).

the 718 GTS is $79K.. the 718 GT4 will be north of $90K

[N54]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

the 718 GTS is $79K.. the 718 GT4 will be north of $90K

Lady I spoke to at the Porsche dealership opposite the museum at Stuttgart seemed to think it would be a GT4 RS so even more $$$$$

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

the 718 GTS is $79K.. the 718 GT4 will be north of $90K

And probably many people will have to pay over MSRP.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Thank you for the summary.

I am sort of in the same boat - although I think you're being facetious. I might seriously consider an X4M if the DCT goes away for the M2/3/4 and if everything is going to have versions of the same engine (and therefore similar characters).

I've only had my F80 for about a year, but I am itching to get something else - it's a great car and does a lot of things well, but I don't love it. I have been holding out for a higher capability/power M2 (not because the current level is insufficient, but because I think I would miss ~100 BHP between the S55 and N550T0). Maybe the M2.1 or M2.2 will fit that bill...

This question might drive you nuts, but I shall ask anyway. do we anticipate any interior updates in either of the potential version updates?

I just priced an X3 M40 and it's around $65K. I presume the XM will jump another 10K so that's around $75K. If an M2 CS comes out in the same price range and also has a DCT ONLY.. there is no reason for me to trade my 1M which has

hydraulic steering
MANUAL seats
MANUAL TRANSMISSION WITH NO AUTO REV MATCH

all of which I am not willing to give up.

I also own an X1 M sport as my daily driver... it's been a great vehicle but I do wish it were just a tad taller or the door openings a bit larger.
So... I would ABSOLUTELY trade that in for a $75 K flappy paddled vehicle in X3 guise rather than get an M2 anything with flappy paddles.


Interior updates on M2.1 appear to be orange or LBB stitching and a slightly different pattern and different seat belts.
Sport Seats I believe are an option as well.

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

MANUAL Steering.

Sure beats the hell out of automatic steering

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

the 718 GTS is $79K.. the 718 GT4 will be north of $90K

I was guessing 100k, especially with a GT spec motor.

EDIT - given that the 981 version was 85k, the new one would have to be over 90 - the 718 went up 5k over the 981 across all models I believe.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I was guessing 100, especially with a GT spec motor.

Porsche usually does not do crazy price bumps. We see that through the lineup. The only change this time was with flipping the convertibles and the coupes to make the convertibles pricier than the coupes which is how it should have been from the beginning.

Strongly feel that the next GT4 irrespective of the motor will be 90-95K. If they calm it the RS, that’s a different conversation.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Stage IV

Sure beats the hell out of automatic steering

as in NOT electric steering, updated for clarity -

Note- I wouldn't put it beyond BMW to put advanced driving assistant on an M2 for the softies out there.

[Madmat]

Another crappy photoshop guess...

[M5XDRIVE]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

I just priced an X3 M40 and it's around $65K. I presume the XM will jump another 10K so that's around $75K. If an M2 CS comes out in the same price range and also has a DCT ONLY.. there is no reason for me to trade my 1M which has

hydraulic steering
MANUAL seats
MANUAL TRANSMISSION WITH NO AUTO REV MATCH

all of which I am not willing to give up.

Your list should only be hydraulic steering. You can code the auto rev match out for like $50. You should be getting new seats in both the 1M & M2. They both have garbage seats.

If you compare the 1M to the M2 by performance, the M2 dominates the 1M in every category. Not only performance, updates from infotainment, interior, basically everything.

I can think of 2 advantages the 1M has over the M2,

hydraulic steering & smaller car overall (if you like that)

If hydraulic steering is more important than every performance upgrades, and updates inside and out, then the 1M is fine.