[T!m3]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

Just get it over with and go by an M3 or an M4.

I prefer to stay with s65. Since they cannot make some s65 bi-turbo

[vstM3]

I guess I have to live with no M1/2 buttons and no transmission power levels. Not that the list of disappointments wasn't big enough

[Puwka]

Навая Fu ///M залупа китайская ,в БМВ геи ,как и пиндосы пиздаболы ,да еще Обама ЧМО !!!
Аллилуйя Мать вашу !!!

[lepp0012]

Originally Posted by miiipilot

Non-functioning side vents? Pep Boys special? Please God no.

Yeah, those bug me way more than the mirrors! They look to be just slapped on, and not at all integrated into the sheet metal. Big fail in my book.

[modkrazy]

Pretty, looks much better than its older siblings in the front and rear fascia. What's up with that weight, though?

[phoenixbmwlife]

Originally Posted by miiipilot

mirrors too

M5 and M6 do not have the M mirrors with that piece almost connecting that everyone is talking about. The 1M had it but there is no more 1M and this is a first M2 so its not breaking any traditions. Everyone just expected it to have them and are disappointed cause of their own expectations not because of tradition.

[modkrazy]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Actually they didn't just put in the N55 with a tune. This much more akin to an actual M-motor. It is same bore and stroke as N55, n54, and S55. But it gets the internals from S55. It is more like a S55 with a single twin scroll turbo.

The M2 is a parts bin car like the 1M. But clearly there was much more thought put into the M2.

Auto Express is saying limited numbers, 500 for UK. So it might be hard to get like the 1M.

Fascinating how no matter where you go, there is always someone arguing over engine heritage. Some folks don't consider the S55 a "proper" M engine, others defend their Vtec 4-pot as a ode to Honda's racing roots.

[Puwka]

Эй куча сраных ковбоев с дырками в очке как дуло на т34 ,жрите бургеры и маркетинговую шляпу !!!
Алби Бек вафлисты !!!
Чуть не забыл Обама чмо !!!

[MikeRR]

Stop whining guys, I understand that the higher the expectations the higher the risk to be disappointed but come on - most of you are whining about small details. All over this car should (will) be a blast to drive, I have absolutely no doubts. And finally that is what it is all about.
It could have been more, I am also a bit disappointed there are no M mirrors (was not even hoping they would add hood bulge or CF roof - I knew they would not). I would have liked Merino leather and would have been willing to pay premium for that, I would have liked getting Recaros... but at the end FOR ME the all over package is more than OK for the price.

[Puwka]

Кто сучнет или забанит его все ебал !!

[webdither]

Originally Posted by Jblack4083

Do my eyes deceive me or does the DCT weigh less? 3450lbs as opposed to 3505?

BMW.com says the following so I assume the above numbers are a typo...

With a light and compact design, the M 6-speed manual transmission decreases the total weight of the car, resulting in an array of benefits in the field of dynamics, agility, acceleration and fuel consumption. The lightened gear box also balances the axle load distribution to nearly 50:50, giving the car more neutral and stabilised driving characteristics in every situation.

[modkrazy]

Originally Posted by Puwka

Навая Fu ///M залупа китайская ,в БМВ геи ,как и пиндосы пиздаболы ,да еще Обама ЧМО !!!
Аллилуйя Мать вашу !!!

As a Russian speaker, this both amused and confused me.

[Bam226]

Not sure if this has been answered yet but are there plans for a sun roof, carbon roof or convertible?

[Law]

Originally Posted by PhoenixWolf

M5 and M6 do not have the M mirrors with that piece almost connecting that everyone is talking about. The 1M had it but there is no more 1M and this is a first M2 so its not breaking any traditions. Everyone just expected it to have them and are disappointed cause of their own expectations not because of tradition.

The M5 and M6 have had different mirrors than the series cars for quite some time now. M specific and designed by BMW M.

They haven't had the dual prongs since the E34 but that doesn't mean they aren't M mirrors. The top piece is not what makes an M mirror an M mirror.

The M mirror design changes with time and application, but they have been differentiated from series vehicles for much of its recent history.

The M5 has had different side mirrors than the standard 5er since the Model Year 1993 "facelift" of the E34 M5.


E39. The trend continued henceforth.


E60/E61.


F10.



The M6 has had different side mirrors than the standard 6er since the E63/E64.


F06/F12/F13.

[OG///M]

Originally Posted by Law

The M5 and M6 have had different mirrors than the series cars for quite some time now. M specific and designed by BMW M.

They haven't had the dual prongs since the E34 but that doesn't mean they aren't M mirrors. The top piece is not what makes an M mirror an M mirror.

The M mirror design changes with time and application, but they have been differentiated from series vehicles for much of its recent history.

The M5 has had different side mirrors than the standard 5er since the Model Year 1993 "facelift" of the E34 M5.

E39. The trend continued henceforth.

Missing he's point. No one said M5/M6 didn't have their own mirrors.

People are talking about specifically the M mirrors on M3/4s with the "bridge" and the only reason they expect to have it is because the 1M got it from the M3.

Sure, make a big deal out of every single thing the M2 "could have had" and complain about how M has lost it's way and lost the tradition. Still doesn't change the fact this car could be one of the best car M has ever produced.

Edit: Scott26 mentioned the reason M2 didn't get the M3/4 mirrors is because of the cost which is fine, since I'm sure most would rather them spend the money on more important things and keep the msrp at a reasonable level (which if rumors are true, it is)

[hyperzulu]

Originally Posted by ///M_Hoonigan

Missing he's point. No one said M5/M6 didn't have their own mirrors.

People are talking about specifically the M mirrors on M3/4s with the "bridge" and the only reason they expect to have it is because the 1M got it from the M3.

Sure, make a big deal out of every single thing the M2 "could have had" and complain about how M has lost it's way and lost the tradition. Still doesn't change the fact this car could be one of the best car M has ever produced.

Edit: Scott26 mentioned the reason M2 didn't get the M3/4 mirrors is because of the cost which is fine, since I'm sure most would rather them spend the money on more important things and keep the msrp at a reasonable level (which if rumors are true, it is)

Yeah. I think anyone who has ever complained about the M3/4/5/6 becoming luxo-barges and losing what M stood for should absolutely love this car. I was one of those pissed at all the things this car was missing, but that was before I saw the proposed price tag. I completely assumed they were going to price this thing at $55k to start.

[Law]

Originally Posted by ///M_Hoonigan

Missing he's point. No one said M5/M6 didn't have their own mirrors.

People are talking about specifically the M mirrors on M3/4s with the "bridge" and the only reason they expect to have it is because the 1M got it from the M3.

Sure, make a big deal out of every single thing the M2 "could have had" and complain about how M has lost it's way and lost the tradition. Still doesn't change the fact this car could be one of the best car M has ever produced.

Edit: Scott26 mentioned the reason M2 didn't get the M3/4 mirrors is because of the cost which is fine, since I'm sure most would rather them spend the money on more important things and keep the msrp at a reasonable level (which if rumors are true, it is)

The point is, people are referring to M mirrors. The "bridge" is just a means to an end, but "bridge" and M mirror are not mutually inclusive
From the renders, yes the "bridge" is certainly implied.
But that doesn't mean there can't be an M mirror designed without the bridge, a la F10 M5, E60 M5, E39 M5, E46 M3, etc.

People aren't nitpicking the "bridge" as some make it out to be.
That's not the tradition people are referring to.
The referenced tradition is that there is a specially designed mirror for the M cars, the "bridge" be damned.
So the problem people have is that the M2 mirror is identical to the dumbo ears of the series vehicles.
Let's not make it about the bridge, its about the mirror itself.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by modkrazy

As a Russian speaker, this both amused and confused me.

Yeah didn't know if google translate was just translating it weird or the guy is a wack job.

[phoenixbmwlife]

Originally Posted by Law

The point is, people are referring to M mirrors. The "bridge" is just a means to an end, but "bridge" and M mirror are not mutually inclusive
From the renders, yes the "bridge" is certainly implied.
But that doesn't mean there can't be an M mirror designed without the bridge, a la F10 M5, E60 M5, E39 M5, E46 M3, etc.

People aren't nitpicking the "bridge" as some make it out to be.
That's not the tradition people are referring to.
The referenced tradition is that there is a specially designed mirror for the M cars, the "bridge" be damned.
So the problem people have is that the M2 mirror is identical to the dumbo ears of the series vehicles.
Let's not make it about the bridge, its about the mirror itself.

I was talking about that piece that almost connects. This is what people have been talking about as it was all over the renders. I never said the M5 and M6 didn't have m mirrors. I chose my words correctly which is why I specifically said the piece almost connecting on top.

[Law]

Originally Posted by PhoenixWolf

I was talking about that piece that connects. This is what people have been talking about as it was all over the renders. I never said the M5 and M6 didn't have m mirrors. I chose my words correctly which is why I specifically said the piece almost connecting on top.

I understand that but the issue at hand is not the piece that connects up top which is why i've referenced examples of instances where one can go about designing an M mirror sans the top piece.

The issue is that they [BMW M] didn't even bother designing one for the M2.
Bridge or no bridge, the mirrors are identical to a 228i. Its not about the bridge.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by ///M_Hoonigan

Sure, make a big deal out of every single thing the M2 "could have had" and complain about how M has lost it's way and lost the tradition. Still doesn't change the fact this car could be one of the best car M has ever produced.

Exactly. How about the fact they didn't just throw in a N55 with a tune. It actually got S55 internals, bespoke intake system, additional water radiator, upgraded oil system. To me complaining about mirrors is minor nitpicks. The nuts and bolts of the car are going to produce one hell of a package.

[OG///M]

Originally Posted by Law

People are referring to M mirrors.
From the renders, yes the "bridge" is certainly implied.
But that doesn't mean there can't be an M mirror designed without the bridge, a la F10 M5, E60 M5, E39 M5, E46 M3, etc.

People aren't nitpicking the "bridge" as some make it out to be.
That's not the tradition people are referring to.
The referenced tradition is that there is a specially designed mirror for the M cars, the "bridge" be damned.
Let's not make it about the bridge, its about the mirror itself.

If that's what you think most people here are complaining about, you haven't been reading through the long pages enough. And I don't blame you, all the complaining gets old.

I get your point about "bespoke" mirrors. (lets call them M bespoke so no confusion) But you can also say that about the engine which is not a S engine and everything else people think the M2 should and must have to be an M car. These things have been discussed to death in the past year in this sub forum.

But again I refer to my last paragraph in my last post.

M2 is the entry level M car at the right size and right power for maximum hooniganism.