[zenmaster]

This keeps getting better.

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by ocN55

I'm close. 370whp dynojet on piss CA 91 octane (I think highest from this dyno day was 374). I'm sure some nice east coast 93 octane will get me to 380. Though my tuner says he thinks even 400whp is possible on pump.

Really?

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1242383

Full bolt-ons right? And still 10 whp shy? So not merely a DP and a tune?

Great numbers, and a very positive result nonetheless.

Originally Posted by zenmaster

This keeps getting better.

Try reading: FBO

[ocN55]

Originally Posted by PrematureApex

Really?

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1242383

Full bolt-ons right? And still 10 whp shy? So not merely a DP and a tune?

Great numbers, and a very positive result nonetheless.

Try reading: FBO

Damn someone piss in your soup this morning?

I doubt having an intercooler and intake is going to give gains on the dyno over just a downpipe/tune setup.

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by ocN55

I doubt having an intercooler and intake is going to give gains on the dyno over just a downpipe/tune setup.

What would you base that on? When tuned, people are seeing about 10+ whp with an intake.

[ASAP]

So... still an ordinary N55, correct? Then its gonna be 400 whp at best w everything an e85.

[Anthony235]

Originally Posted by ASAP

So... still an ordinary N55, correct? Then its gonna be 400 whp at best w everything an e85.

That appears to be the case.

[ocN55]

Originally Posted by PrematureApex

What would you base that on? When tuned, people are seeing about 10+ whp with an intake.

There are people running 11s and hitting 400whp with just a downpipe/tune and 3 gallons of ethanol.
Shall I post links?

And btw, an intake doesn't do shit on the N55. A 10whp gain is still within the margin of error on a dyno. I only paid $150 for it purely for sound.

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by ocN55

There are people running 11s and hitting 400whp with just a downpipe/tune and 3 gallons of ethanol.
Shall I post links?

Yes, we're well aware. What does that have to do with the discussion?

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by ASAP

So... still an ordinary N55, correct? Then its gonna be 400 whp at best w everything an e85.

Originally Posted by Anthony235

That appears to be the case.

Well that's sort of what we're discussing now. 380 whp with only a DP and a tune on 93 isn't what "regular" N55s have made in the past.

So, at least by one tuner's account, it might be a little different.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by PrematureApex

Well that's sort of what we're discussing now. 380 whp with only a DP and a tune on 93 isn't what "regular" N55s have made in the past.

So, at least by one tuner's account, it might be a little different.

It may be a better wastegate, or more efficient exhaust design...

[ocN55]

Originally Posted by PrematureApex

Yes, we're well aware. What does that have to do with the discussion?

That you're underestimating what people are putting down on F series N55.

Originally Posted by PrematureApex

Well that's sort of what we're discussing now. 380 whp with only a DP and a tune on 93 isn't what "regular" N55s have made in the past.

So, at least by one tuner's account, it might be a little different.

Your arguments so far are poorly holding. Why would anyone do a DP before an intake? Most people doing a DP already have an aftermarket intake to begin with It's a cheap part that can be installed in 5min

[zenmaster]

IIRC, one of Terry's projects involved before and after dynos with only change being higher flow intake. This intake actually allowed an extra lb of boost. As its intake design is already a specific M2 performance improvement, this should be a factor for the relatively higher peak HP vs M235i for example.

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by ocN55

That you're underestimating what people are putting down on F series N55.



Your arguments so far are poorly holding. Why would anyone do a DP before an intake? Most people doing a DP already have an aftermarket intake to begin with It's a cheap part that can be installed in 5min

What are you even talking about? My arguments?

Are you reading some other thread?

Someone else said an M2 will put down 380 whp on a tune and DP only on 93.

I said, based on what other tuners have seen so far (indicating it's a standard N55 with a factory tune), that's not realistic, and it will likely take more than just a DP and a tune to see those numbers.

You then chimed in and posted that your car did 370whp with full bolt-ons. That's great, but doesn't have anything to do with what we're talking about.

Then you decided to make yet another irrelevant post, telling us that cars running ethanol are seeing 400 whp.

Once again...are you reading some other thread? That was never at issue. No one was ever arguing that point.

Now you're going on about intakes? Why exactly?

It's like you're reading another thread, and accidentally replying in this one.

All that being said, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. You just said an intake wasn't good for any power, and that you only bought it for the noise. So no, despite your ridiculous assertion, plenty of people run a DP on the stock intake, as they don't care about the sound, and would therefore only be wasting their money. I know many, many N54s and n55s running stock airboxes and catless DP(s). The fact that you'd claim otherwise is absurd. Some people think the intake sounds a bit immature actually. A quick search on the forums would yield a LARGE amount of people recommending just sticking with the stock box.

[theriz]

Sad to see its just a tuned N55 from the M235i... on the other hand for 8k fenders and DCT is not so bad.......

[ocN55]

Originally Posted by PrematureApex

What are you even talking about? My arguments?

Are you reading some other thread?

Someone else said an M2 will put down 380 whp on a tune and DP only on 93.

I said, based on what other tuners have seen so far (indicating it's a standard N55 with a factory tune), that's not realistic, and it will likely take more than just a DP and a tune to see those numbers.

You then chimed in and posted that your car did 370whp with full bolt-ons. That's great, but doesn't have anything to do with what we're talking about.

Then you decided to make yet another irrelevant post, telling us that cars running ethanol are seeing 400 whp.

Once again...are you reading some other thread? That was never at issue. No one was ever arguing that point.

Now you're going on about intakes? Why exactly?

It's like you're reading another thread, and accidentally replying in this one.

All that being said, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. You just said an intake wasn't good for any power, and that you only bought it for the noise. So no, despite your ridiculous assertion, plenty of people run a DP on the stock intake, as they don't care about the sound, and would therefore only be wasting their money. I know many, many N54s and n55s running stock airboxes and catless DP(s). The fact that you'd claim otherwise is absurd. Some people think the intake sounds a bit immature actually. A quick search on the forums would yield a LARGE amount of people recommending just sticking with the stock box.

Your argument is that 380whp is not possible on a N55 with a downpipe and 93 octane tune. This argument is asinine. Ask any flash tuner: ENZO, MP, Eurocharged, GSR. Even TuningTech said in your own thread that 380whp is possible, and you still choose to disagree?
My car has a downpipe and tune with the addition of a FMIC+ intake (both of which are NOT power mods) and made 374whp with low boost and rich AFR. Not to mention that this is with poor quality 91 octane fuel. I'm getting a new flash next weekend, I'll see how close my tuner and I can reach the 400whp mark on our shit pump gas.

Now you're contradicting yourself with the intake. But from my understanding, we are in agreement that a mere intake will not give you any substantial power increase. Yes, there are many choosing to keep the stock airbox, this affirms the insignificance of an intake. Regardless, those making that choice for themselves are still well within the minority of modded N5x.

Originally Posted by PrematureApex

What would you base that on? When tuned, people are seeing about 10+ whp with an intake.

[paradoxical3]

I am tired of people saying a FMIC is not a power adder mod. That is semantics. Putting a FMIC on your car makes it faster. Preventing lost power is functionally the same as adding power. Reducing IAT by 50 degrees f under load adds power, period.

Meth or water injection does the exact same thing, but nobody claims that doesn't add power.

[lolololol]

What a crazy thread -if the M2 is a reshelled N55 then typical power figures are readily available as the N55 ain't nothing new ?

Don't get the point if the argument tbh - just one big 'cock off'.

In the meantime I will stick with the N54

[OrangeCrush]

Originally Posted by theriz

Sad to see its just a tuned N55 from the M235i... on the other hand for 8k fenders and DCT is not so bad.......

And brakes, and suspension, and exhaust, M4 oil sump, and.....

[ashburyn54]

Originally Posted by theriz

Sad to see its just a tuned N55 from the M235i... on the other hand for 8k fenders and DCT is not so bad.......

Lol I laughed. I know this is probably sarcasm. Fenders and DCT? Those are the main changes people want to believe the m2 has over the m235i?

[AndrewC1989]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

And brakes, and suspension, and exhaust, M4 oil sump, and.....

lol, exactly. I'm waiting for all the m235i people to chime in about how this car isn't worth the extra money. Personally I just placed my order for an M2 and boy does it feel good. And for those worried about power, start saving for pure stage 2 lol. That'll put you closer to 500.

[theriz]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

And brakes, and suspension, and exhaust, M4 oil sump, and.....

Originally Posted by ashburyn54

Lol I laughed. I know this is probably sarcasm. Fenders and DCT? Those are the main changes people want to believe the m2 has over the m235i?

[theriz]

Originally Posted by comacow02

lol, exactly. I'm waiting for all the m235i people to chime in about how this car isn't worth the extra money. Personally I just placed my order for an M2 and boy does it feel good. And for those worried about power, start saving for pure stage 2 lol. That'll put you closer to 500.

I feel like this is reoccurring phenomenon on this site... 335i > M3 . M2 > M3/4.
Just buy what you want and don't let anyone change your mind.