[Roundown]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Depending on the weight, power to weight ratio difference could be more sigificant.

That and power delivery- not going to hold m breath, but that that peak hp/tq ratio could mean a bigger top end.

[mxa121]

Blah Blah Blah!

REMEMBER the 1M is one of the highest rated BMWs to ever pop out of Germany. What was the formula? Series engine, M parts. That's IT.

WOW at people expecting a 400hp M2. Just watch, all this moaning will turn to praise right after release.

[aajami]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

M235i is already heavier than the 1M this car better be light. With only 30hp more don't think it will worth it if it end up weighting the same as a M235i

It might end up heavier than the M235i when you consider larger wheels, tires, brakes, LSD, and added cooling.

[mxa121]

Originally Posted by Orange fever

I'm removing my name from the list..
Why n55 ? Come on now.
so disappointed

If you were on a list at this point and were not aware of the N55, the joke is on you. That information has been laid out for months...

[AT-ST]

Originally Posted by buumer

135is - 320hp/317trq 3335lb
1M - 335hp/332trq(w/o overboost) 3340lb

The m2 is going to be a great and well balanced car, but the 235i is the new leader for the msport range. The gap wont be mind blowing, that's for sure. Marginal improvements here and there, but you can only do so much with an extra 7-9k over the m235i. This is not a CSL. (And I was all set to trade my m235i for the m2)

I know the 1m has a cult following around here, but how much better than the 135is was it really? I fear that nostalgia is hard at play here.

Honestly, on paper.. The 1M was barely an improvement over the 135i. Having never driven either, I really couldn't say. But I too wonder how significant the difference really was. They post very similar times.

Based on that, I don't expect the M2 to be shockingly better than a 235i in most regards.

But what I do wonder... How will it measure up to the 1M ? I do not personally feel that the M2 should be less of a performer than the 1M was. That would be imho a bigger let down than the marginal improvement over a 235i.

I did not expect a 400 hp etc M2. But it stands to be a bigger & heavier car than the 1M, with nearly 30 lb ft less tq ? I am curious as to how that will play into driving dynamics. Sure it has a little bit of HP, but I'd personally prefer a drop in HP than in TQ. Also not a fan of the over boost setup.

Anyway. Although I am not disappointed to the extent that some seem to be.. (I think some expectations were a stretch) I do think unless it sheds more weight than I feel it realistically will.... It may fall short of where it imho should have been. Not by a lot.. But short is short.

Still going to be a fantastic car. But if it turns out to be the "almost as good as a 1M" car...In addition to being slightly above a 235i... I feel like It will not get the respect it deserves.

I think more people were expecting a morerevolutionary vehicle, rather than just a fantastic vehicle. Because hype would lead one to believe, that is what the 1M was. And what the "M" ought to represent.

[Alumac]

Originally Posted by mxa121

Blah Blah Blah!

REMEMBER the 1M is one of the highest rated BMWs to ever pop out of Germany. What was the formula? Series engine, M parts. That's IT.

WOW at people expecting a 400hp M2. Just watch, all this moaning will turn to praise right after release.

Right on. Most here seem to forget the 1M was a parts bin car with fender flares, a quad exhaust, bespoke interior, and limited production. Why wouldn't BMW follow the same recipe for an M2?

[auf Deutsch]

The 987 just leapfrogged the M2 on my list.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by buumer

135is - 320hp/317trq 3335lb
1M - 335hp/332trq(w/o overboost) 3340lb

The m2 is going to be a great and well balanced car, but the 235i is the new leader for the msport range. The gap wont be mind blowing, that's for sure. Marginal improvements here and there, but you can only do so much with an extra 7-9k over the m235i. This is not a CSL. (And I was all set to trade my m235i for the m2)

I know the 1m has a cult following around here, but how much better than the 135is was it really? I fear that nostalgia is hard at play here.

firstly:

135is: 3373 lbs
1M: 3296 lbs

secondly:

I had a 135is and got out of my lease early to get a 1M. I drive 130+ miles a day so I've driven the hell out of both of them. Believe me when I tell you that the 1M feels like an almost entirely different car than the 135is. It's not about the HP----you guys just don't get it.

The entire architecture underneath in the 1M is from the E9X M3. The steering rack, the brakes, subframes, sway bars, bushings, hubs, the widened track....it makes the car feel totally different. I'm not justifying my purchase....I went out of my way to buy a 1M after driving it...it has a character all of it's own.

The M2 is following the same thing. Screw the HP/Tq numbers...The M2 is going to have an M3 underneath----that is where the magic will be.

I know you M235 owners don't want to believe it but the M2 will also also be totally different to the M235 in terms of feel and enjoyment.

[SW19]

Originally Posted by hpapad01

Why do you all think it won't have CF roof as an option? Nearly every rendering I've seen has CF roof, although it is just a rendering... perhaps BMW may surprise us during the announcement along with all the other specs.

I am still hoping they do surprise us with the carbon fiber roof.The problem is that all the test vehicles have not had the carbon fiber roof.IMO there is no reason why the M2 shouldn't have a carbon fiber roof.The good news is that they are still testing the car and we haven't seen any new mules in over a month.

[david.orr]

Originally Posted by buumer

135is - 320hp/317trq 3335lb
1M - 335hp/332trq(w/o overboost) 3340lb

The m2 is going to be a great and well balanced car, but the 235i is the new leader for the msport range. The gap wont be mind blowing, that's for sure. Marginal improvements here and there, but you can only do so much with an extra 7-9k over the m235i. This is not a CSL. (And I was all set to trade my m235i for the m2)

I know the 1m has a cult following around here, but how much better than the 135is was it really? I fear that nostalgia is hard at play here.

Agreed, 1M does has a nostalgic feel and cult following amongst current and ex owners. I still drive mine frequently together with the M235i. If M2 is anything close to or better than the 1M, I dare say the step change from M235 to M2 would be more than insignificant

[111R]

How about Ferrari Red or Henna Red?

[abp689]

The M2 is shaping up to be a modern e36M. Should be a fun car, but it may not have the LNG term collectibility of prior M's.

Generally I would say an M tuned car will be a hit. However, based on press reports, the M3/4 is a bit of a miss, so I may wait to hear at least a few early reports.

[Scrippy]

Mineral Grey fo shoooo!

[Desert_Fox]

Originally Posted by W///

Just poking a little fun at you, so don't kill me. BMW offered all the colors you could ever want on the E9x and the E39 and you picked... drumroll... white and grey.

What's different with the M2?

You would be shocked. The E46 M3 CSL dropped 200 lbs compared to the regular car and cost how much? And it was hardly something you could DD all the time.

And you expect them to drop 500 lbs how exactly? Some of you guys ask for the world but wouldn't even know how to do it? Oh just throw CF everywhere

You got me for the Sterling Gray for the 540i. It is very conservative and simple, but I feel it fits the nature of a 5 series very well.

My 335is is Mineral White, which personally is one of my favorite colors for any car. It's a very gentle Pearl, shines up beautifully with a brilliant flake effect, and also hides imperfections almost as well as silver.

I wish BMW would offer Mineral White for the M2, since it has become a staple for the rest of their lineup. Alpine white is too flat and simple, and the Mineral Gray is just a tad too dark. If they really want to connect the dots with BMW's M heritage, how about some old school colors? Dakar Yellow, Techno Violet,and Laguna Seca Blue would be very welcome choices!

[hellrotm]

Comparing M235i to M2 is like comparing 135is to 1M. Just stop already.

M235i is not and never will be an M-car. Power isn't everything.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by AT-ST

Honestly, on paper.. The 1M was barely an improvement over the 135i. Having never driven either, I really couldn't say. But I too wonder how significant the difference really was. They post very similar times.

Behind the wheel, the difference is night and day.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

But the real question is, how much will it weigh?

BINGO!

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Vintage

I own a N54 car and a owned a N55 car. N54 is a "better" motor, particularly on the top end as the N55 peters out. I am sure the M2 will be great, and I am #1 at my dealer for one, but now I am seriously considering a M3. It seems to me that the price difference will be small and the performance gap significant.

+1 Agreed - I wouldn't mind less power if they could keep more of it closer to the redline AND raise it some.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

not sure why you ever expected that....really. this car is following the 1M formula...and has been from the beginning. The M235i weighs over 3500 pounds. If you want a 3000 pound M2----I hope you have $125k as that is how much a car that would lose 14% of it's weight would cost after engineering.

the big question is... will it even get down to 3300 lbs... ?

[M12Power]

Ferrari Red or at least something similar to Scion's Firestorm for the FR-S. I like my red pure and bright, not dark.

If not, AW would always be my choice.

[dmboone25]

I actually think the overall lack of colors (and presumably options) will be good for those that were truly looking for the entry-level ///M.

The 1M started around 48 IIRC - this should start @ 53 or less maybe - that's my guess anyway.

I don't think we will see a significant reduction in weight from the 235 either...

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by M Car Chris

...I'm not certain I'm clear from this thread where the M2 will be produced or if indeed aforementioned production plant will offer individual paint options?

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