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      08-08-2018, 04:01 PM   #1
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I would love to hear the impressions of a previous M2 owner who now drives an M2C. From the M2C sub-forum it looks like a few people already have taken delivery.
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I've driven them back to back on track but no street mile experience if that perspective interests you.
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I've driven them back to back on track but no street mile experience if that perspective interests you.
How did you run M2C on the track? Did you get the car that early or did bmw invite you to some closed event?

Curious to your thoughts how these two machines drive on a technical circuit.
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How did you run M2C on the track? Did you get the car that early or did bmw invite you to some closed event?

Curious to your thoughts how these two machines drive on a technical circuit.
I agree. Enlighten us please.
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      09-07-2018, 12:16 AM   #5
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I'm really tied but I can expand later if you want -

M2 vs. M2c on a low speed 180kmh max track

Not massively different than the existing M2 - most average non bmw people would be hard pressed to tell much of a difference. If you have a M2 and are expecting a massive difference you will be disappointed stock for stock.

You can feel the extra weight over the nose if you look for it, otherwise most non track rats may not notice it. The harder hitting low end makes it less planted on corner exit not in a really fun way just a squirmy way, less manageable.

Seats felt better on track, steering feels like the M2C flash on the current M2 so no difference if you do that software change.

Doesn't feel a whole lot faster, definitely is quicker past 65mph but from the drivers seat its not much of a difference and doesn't make you go wow this is a much faster car. Feels about the same as a BM3 M2 but less linear.

Sounds the same as my old M4, no difference just more burbles. Not my cup of tea at all but that's up to you to decide.

Styling is up to you to decide.

Im sure tuned it will be fast in a straight line but these chassis will never be good drag cars.. overall if you own a current M2 - don't expect a massive difference. If you love the S55 for some reason then it may be a good move for you.

It was not my car, I own an 18' M2
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I'm really tied but I can expand later if you want -

M2 vs. M2c on a low speed 180kmh max track

Not massively different than the existing M2 - most average non bmw people would be hard pressed to tell much of a difference. If you have a M2 and are expecting a massive difference you will be disappointed stock for stock.

You can feel the extra weight over the nose if you look for it, otherwise most non track rats may not notice it. The harder hitting low end makes it less planted on corner exit not in a really fun way just a squirmy way, less manageable.

Seats felt better on track, steering feels like the M2C flash on the current M2 so no difference if you do that software change.

Doesn't feel a whole lot faster, definitely is quicker past 65mph but from the drivers seat its not much of a difference and doesn't make you go wow this is a much faster car. Feels about the same as a BM3 M2 but less linear.

Sounds the same as my old M4, no difference just more burbles. Not my cup of tea at all but that's up to you to decide.

Styling is up to you to decide.

Im sure tuned it will be fast in a straight line but these chassis will never be good drag cars.. overall if you own a current M2 - don't expect a massive difference. If you love the S55 for some reason then it may be a good move for you.

It was not my car, I own an 18' M2
Excellent review!

This confirms what was said before the M2C release.
Because the M2 is so well balanced, changes to the formula didn't make much sense.
More abrupt power with the same chassis and suspension really doesn't do much good on the track.

Of course most of us just can't stand the sound
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Its a shame BMW did not bother to upgrade the suspension like they do normally on the Competition models.. They probably don't care much since the platform is already 4 years old..
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I'm really tied but I can expand later if you want -

M2 vs. M2c on a low speed 180kmh max track

Not massively different than the existing M2 - most average non bmw people would be hard pressed to tell much of a difference. If you have a M2 and are expecting a massive difference you will be disappointed stock for stock.

You can feel the extra weight over the nose if you look for it, otherwise most non track rats may not notice it. The harder hitting low end makes it less planted on corner exit not in a really fun way just a squirmy way, less manageable.

Seats felt better on track, steering feels like the M2C flash on the current M2 so no difference if you do that software change.

Doesn't feel a whole lot faster, definitely is quicker past 65mph but from the drivers seat its not much of a difference and doesn't make you go wow this is a much faster car. Feels about the same as a BM3 M2 but less linear.

Sounds the same as my old M4, no difference just more burbles. Not my cup of tea at all but that's up to you to decide.

Styling is up to you to decide.

Im sure tuned it will be fast in a straight line but these chassis will never be good drag cars.. overall if you own a current M2 - don't expect a massive difference. If you love the S55 for some reason then it may be a good move for you.

It was not my car, I own an 18' M2
Dang sounds like I should not upgrade. All the things you said about it are negatives in my book.
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      09-07-2018, 04:25 PM   #9
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I was really hoping to feel increased feedback from the rear with whatever those new spherical rear bushings are that the press release stated - I spend a lot of time on track and could not tell a difference - maybe it is noticeable with a slick or R comp tire with increased G loads but not something I could perceive on stock tires.
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I was really hoping to feel increased feedback from the rear with whatever those new spherical rear bushings are that the press release stated - I spend a lot of time on track and could not tell a difference - maybe it is noticeable with a slick or R comp tire with increased G loads but not something I could perceive on stock tires.
That’s because there is no difference. BMW press telling lies again. Real OEM confirms suspension components totally unchanged.
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That’s because there is no difference. BMW press telling lies again. Real OEM confirms suspension components totally unchanged.
Well there you go! I guess my butt is pretty accurate
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Well there you go! I guess my butt is pretty accurate
Indeed but BMW need to stop this crap!. They did the same with the OG M2 with the closed deck block lies.
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A nice review, though a tad negative. Which can be expected by an '18 M2 owner off course.

Anyway:
Strangely the Dutch reviewers on Ascari found the M2C easier driftable/managable because of the re-adjusted MDM electronics vs M2.
And a more planted frontend plus a bit more power.

Did the OP drive with all nannies on/MDM/off?

I chose M2c because of S55 engine(trackdays, driftdays, Nordschleife) and its better cooling capabilities, and 'motorsport' internals.

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A nice review, though a tad negative. Which can be expected by an '18 M2 owner off course.

Anyway:
Strangely the Dutch reviewers on Ascari found the M2C easier driftable/managable because of the re-adjusted MDM electronics vs M2.
And a more planted frontend plus a bit more power.

Did the OP drive with all nannies on/MDM/off?

I chose M2c because of S55 engine(trackdays, driftdays, Nordschleife) and its better cooling capabilities, and 'motorsport' internals.

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We are trying to get reviews by previous M2 owners who now have an M2C. Once you get your M2C, then you can tells us what you think.

Anyone else have first hand experience with both cars?
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      09-08-2018, 03:19 PM   #15
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A nice review, though a tad negative. Which can be expected by an '18 M2 owner off course.

Anyway:
Strangely the Dutch reviewers on Ascari found the M2C easier driftable/managable because of the re-adjusted MDM electronics vs M2.
And a more planted frontend plus a bit more power.

Did the OP drive with all nannies on/MDM/off?

I chose M2c because of S55 engine(trackdays, driftdays, Nordschleife) and its better cooling capabilities, and 'motorsport' internals.

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Yes,

I never drive with any form of MDM mode on track - always DSC off when pushing the car - not sure why anyone would review the dynamics between the two with MDM on

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Yes,

I never drive with any form of MDM mode on track - always DSC off when pushing the car - not sure why anyone would review the dynamics between the two with MDM on
Probably because BMW asked them to keep it on.

MDM is relevant for the street though. I know everyone thinks they are a hero, but on the street it's probably best to leave something on.
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Indeed but BMW need to stop this crap!. They did the same with the OG M2 with the closed deck block lies.
I'm not sure if they intend to lie, they are just sloppy. The people writing the marketing materials have really poor technical knowledge of the product.
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Just saying this is going to be another biased thread. From one side and the other.

It would be nice if 'eatingpizza' had some pics/footage or info on what track etcetera. Because now I'm guessing.


I'll get back when I have my car.

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I'm really tied but I can expand later if you want -

M2 vs. M2c on a low speed 180kmh max track

Not massively different than the existing M2 - most average non bmw people would be hard pressed to tell much of a difference. If you have a M2 and are expecting a massive difference you will be disappointed stock for stock.

You can feel the extra weight over the nose if you look for it, otherwise most non track rats may not notice it. The harder hitting low end makes it less planted on corner exit not in a really fun way just a squirmy way, less manageable.

Seats felt better on track, steering feels like the M2C flash on the current M2 so no difference if you do that software change.

Doesn't feel a whole lot faster, definitely is quicker past 65mph but from the drivers seat its not much of a difference and doesn't make you go wow this is a much faster car. Feels about the same as a BM3 M2 but less linear.

Sounds the same as my old M4, no difference just more burbles. Not my cup of tea at all but that's up to you to decide.

Styling is up to you to decide.

Im sure tuned it will be fast in a straight line but these chassis will never be good drag cars.. overall if you own a current M2 - don't expect a massive difference. If you love the S55 for some reason then it may be a good move for you.

It was not my car, I own an 18' M2
I agree with most of this. However, I believe it's a much more scalable platform, especially from a power perspective. A basic stage 1 or 2 will yield you 100 HP/Tq on the S55. With the N55, you were lucky to get half that without having to change cooling and fueling systems. I do miss how my OG M2 sounded....the M2C is a bit muted. Brakes are obviously better, many folks warped their rotors with a few laps or had real bad fade with the OG M2.

The seats are much nicer and comfortable, the wheels are amazing, and this time I got the PSS tires, which are far better than the crappy Contis. I'm happy with my trade, just need to add the suspension and exhaust again....I had the MPE and MP coilovers on the OG.
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The harder hitting low end makes it less planted on corner exit not in a really fun way just a squirmy way, less manageable.



Well.This guy is saying it now has the engine the M2 should have had in the first place and seeing him drifting along AND smiling the whole time plus a very positive review(he has an M4 and tunes/drives cars like M2) who am I to doubt him. Yes I will doubt his statements and actions. That's what I'll do.

At what track did you drive the M2c if I may ask? No footage at all?

I just couldn't wait to respond, sorry

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It looks to me you're stuck in the impression of the very early MY2016 M2 as a previous owner and fail to see M2 OG already improves over years, especially with MY2018 LCI models inside and out. As a result, you refuse to admit M2C isn't much of an improvement over M2 LCI, if any at all. And want to argue that point at every opportunity you find.

Try refine M2 OG a little bit. You can nappa wrap the interior and install M4 seat or Recaro. Upgrade to LCI instrument. Replace with LCI taillight. Install the MPE or equivalent. Replace the tiny stock turbocharger shared with 335i with a high efficient hybrid. Change to better brake pad/oil and put on stickier tire as the final touch.

Tell me what M2 OG would drive and look with all said above done. Now you think again if a 150lb heavier and way less nice sounding M2C still hold more appeal. And one step further if you would, think about what it'd cost to fix M2C sound and weight if that's even possible at all.
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I just want the S55 that's all. Had some overheating problems with my M2.

And 150lbs more? Come on. I think the M2c weighs at least 300lbs more, it's like a little freight truck, and the OG M2 is a Lotus like toy. M2C sounds almost like a diesel too.

So what was I thinking. I just need to cancel the M2c immediately.


And your post is even more biased then I would think... S55 is tunable too isn't it.

But hey, I told you guys this is going to be a very biased thread with Sean as frontrunner. Congrats!



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