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View Poll Results: Anyone switching from 6MT to DCT or vice versa?
Currently 6MT | Planning 6MT again 67 43.79%
Currently 6MT | Planning switch to DCT 20 13.07%
Currently DCT | Planning DCT again 25 16.34%
Currently DCT | Planning switch to 6MT 25 16.34%
Currently A/T | Planning switch to 6MT 9 5.88%
Currently A/T | Planning switch to DCT 7 4.58%
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      06-18-2018, 01:44 PM   #89
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I’ve been a manual only guy. At times nearly militant about trying to convince others they were wrong if they didn’t agree. This time around, with this car, I’m going DCT. Few reasons to follow.
1. I have a GT4 that gives me my manual fix when I need it
2. The M2 being a turbo will almost certainly be tuned and I believe the DTC is better suited to handle the extra torque.
3. My wife will be way more likely to drive the M2 DCT. In nearly 3 years she’s never driven the GT4. Now some may suggest this is a good thing. But convincing her to buy another car that’ll only be driven by me is a stretch .
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rev matching as well as heel and toe shifting are advanced driving and/or racing talent skills.. .. not generic manual transmission driving talents.

Generic manual driving talent involves learning the friction point of the clutch, moving the shift selector between gears, and what gear to be in at the proper time in order to accelerate or decelerate
Not really... While they may seem like they are better suited for racing or spirited driving, they both have significant advantages in daily driving as well, which I'm pretty sure you are aware as well.
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Not really... While they may seem like they are better suited for racing or spirited driving, they both have significant advantages in daily driving as well, which I'm pretty sure you are aware as well.
We certainly agree in that these are techniques that many if not all MT drivers should employ.. but I will state again.. such topics are NOT taught at Driver's Ed.. which is the basic level of education of driving. Neither is actual double clutching.. unless it's driver's ed for big Rigs.. I bet most of the people that own a DCT transmission don't even know that one can double (de)clutch with a manual transmission..
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      06-18-2018, 06:31 PM   #92
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I had an m2 manual. I love manuals but turbo engines and manuals give slight delay when shifting. There is just a lttle hesitation it loses turbo pressure.

Now with the competition you can adjust shift times nicely with dct

Let me try a DCT this time around. My M3 F80 has DCT also and it’s perfect.

Maybe i regret it.

If it was ZF8 or Manual. Then the choice is easy Manual. To much delay on downshifting with zf8. You want to feel the car shifting DCT on high setting is perfect if you want some fun!
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      06-18-2018, 06:33 PM   #93
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I had an m2 manual. I love manuals but turbo engines and manuals give slight delay when shifting. There is just a lttle hesitation it loses turbo pressure.

Now with the competition you can adjust shift times nicely with dct

Let me try a DCT this time around. My M3 F80 has DCT also and it’s perfect.

Maybe i regret it.

If it was ZF8 or Manual. Then the choice is easy Manual. To much delay on downshifting with zf8. You want to feel the car shifting DCT on high setting is perfect if you want some fun!
Don’t make me change my mind, ha. DCT is awesome to drive I will miss it. Long as you enjoy it, all that matters. Only .2 sec slower 0-60 but way more engaging to drive.
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I had an m2 manual. I love manuals but turbo engines and manuals give slight delay when shifting. There is just a lttle hesitation it loses turbo pressure.

Now with the competition you can adjust shift times nicely with dct

Let me try a DCT this time around. My M3 F80 has DCT also and it’s perfect.

Maybe i regret it.

If it was ZF8 or Manual. Then the choice is easy Manual. To much delay on downshifting with zf8. You want to feel the car shifting DCT on high setting is perfect if you want some fun!
Nah fam... you've got the DCT on the touring sedan F80 go with 6MT on the fun car..

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Don’t make me change my mind, ha. DCT is awesome to drive I will miss it. Long as you enjoy it, all that matters. Only .2 sec slower 0-60 but way more engaging to drive.
there are no stopwatches in my ride.
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      06-24-2018, 07:48 AM   #95
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(this is just my opinion, not a debate. There is no wrong transmission - please get what you want)

Drove a MT F80 M3 yesterday.

Here are my two cents:

Pros:
1) Rowing the gears/more direct feel
2) Shifter position is perfect
3) Nice short throw
4) Rev-match is great
5) Clutch pressure is even and light
6) Saves $2900


Cons:
1) 1-2 shift is ok - typical BMW
2) Clutch pedal engagement point is too high. Maybe a clutch stop?
3) Not as good as Porsche's MT (not as precise - hard to explain)
4) MT F80 M3 Felt slower then my DCT M2


Every now and then I would drive my DCT and think - I miss the MT. Well, I was in the MT thinking, I miss the DCT. I have another MT car, so I will play in that.

I switched my build to DCT.
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      06-24-2018, 09:15 AM   #96
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I’ve been a manual only guy. At times nearly militant about trying to convince others they were wrong if they didn’t agree. This time around, with this car, I’m going DCT. Few reasons to follow.
1. I have a GT4 that gives me my manual fix when I need it
2. The M2 being a turbo will almost certainly be tuned and I believe the DTC is better suited to handle the extra torque.
3. My wife will be way more likely to drive the M2 DCT. In nearly 3 years she’s never driven the GT4. Now some may suggest this is a good thing. But convincing her to buy another car that’ll only be driven by me is a stretch .
I do believe you have this backwards. That 6sp getrag is going to be good for 500+ lb ft. I am almost certain the dct is not capable of handling as high of torque ratings. In fact this is why the M5 has a ZF.

Not that it matters because either transmission will be fine with whatever tune you throw at the m2.
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(this is just my opinion, not a debate. There is no wrong transmission - please get what you want)

Drove a MT F80 M3 yesterday.

Here are my two cents:

Pros:
1) Rowing the gears/more direct feel
2) Shifter position is perfect
3) Nice short throw
4) Rev-match is great
5) Clutch pressure is even and light
6) Saves $2900


Cons:
1) 1-2 shift is ok - typical BMW
2) Clutch pedal engagement point is too high. Maybe a clutch stop?
3) Not as good as Porsche's MT (not as precise - hard to explain)
4) MT F80 M3 Felt slower then my DCT M2


Every now and then I would drive my DCT and think - I miss the MT. Well, I was in the MT thinking, I miss the DCT. I have another MT car, so I will play in that.

I switched my build to DCT.
- 1-2 shift is indeed not always as smooth as other shifts.
- Clutch stop fixes the high engagement point and it takes less than a minute to install.
- Definitely not as good as Porsche's MT.
- MT feeling slow totally depends on your shifting style. You may never able to shift faster than DCT but with quick shifting the difference is negligible IMO.

Also, another big disadvantage of MT that I want to add is the risk money shifting. It just takes a single mis-shift to ruin your engine and transmission. It's impossible to money shift with DCT.

DCT is a great transmission, I'm sure it'll still be plenty of fun
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I do believe you have this backwards. That 6sp getrag is going to be good for 500+ lb ft. I am almost certain the dct is not capable of handling as high of torque ratings. In fact this is why the M5 has a ZF.

Not that it matters because either transmission will be fine with whatever tune you throw at the m2.
BMW went with the ZF Auto in the M5 because it's faster than the DCT.

The Getrag 7DCI700 used in the M2/M2C/M3/4/5/6 is rated at 700N-m (516lb-ft) crank torque.

DCT can handle some serious HP & Torque.

Check out this thread: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1198154
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I do believe you have this backwards. That 6sp getrag is going to be good for 500+ lb ft. I am almost certain the dct is not capable of handling as high of torque ratings. In fact this is why the M5 has a ZF.

Not that it matters because either transmission will be fine with whatever tune you throw at the m2.
BMW went with the ZF Auto in the M5 because it's faster than the DCT.

The Getrag 7DCI700 used in the M2/M2C/M3/4/5/6 is rated at 700N-m (516lb-ft) crank torque.

DCT can handle some serious HP & Torque.

Check out this thread: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1198154
F90 M5 makes 553lb-ft in its stock form which is already higher than what the DCT is rated at. The main reason BMW chose ZF over DCT on F90 is because of the torque limitation of the DCT not bacause of ZF being faster.
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I do believe you have this backwards. That 6sp getrag is going to be good for 500+ lb ft. I am almost certain the dct is not capable of handling as high of torque ratings. In fact this is why the M5 has a ZF.

Not that it matters because either transmission will be fine with whatever tune you throw at the m2.
BMW went with the ZF Auto in the M5 because it's faster than the DCT.

The Getrag 7DCI700 used in the M2/M2C/M3/4/5/6 is rated at 700N-m (516lb-ft) crank torque.

DCT can handle some serious HP & Torque.

Check out this thread: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1198154
F90 M5 makes 553lb-ft in its stock form which is already higher than what the DCT is rated at. The main reason BMW chose ZF8 over DCT on F90 is because of the torque limitation of the DCT not ZF8 being faster.
Probably both. That faster 0-60 is a carrot to some buyers. The ones that solely think 0-60 is the bar to measure a car.
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BMW went with the ZF Auto in the M5 because it's faster than the DCT.

The Getrag 7DCI700 used in the M2/M2C/M3/4/5/6 is rated at 700N-m (516lb-ft) crank torque.

DCT can handle some serious HP & Torque.

Check out this thread: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1198154
What's "Serious"? Looks like 500hp+ the clutch packs start slipping. Faster? I am not sure about that but certainly more torque. We are talking about the same transmission that's in the Dodge Demon. Would not be pushing that DCT. Audi and BMW are both going to ZF 8sp instead of DCT in their performance models for torque reasons. Audi stated this directly with the S4 and BMW has stated in the past though I don't have a link.
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My 2-cents worth. I was a MT guy. My first car was a 2002, then 320i/325is/etc starting in '74. I'm now on my 2nd M2, both DCT, and my M2 Comp on order will also be DCT. If I want to drive a MT I can drive my son's M240.
I agree with all previous comments that MT are more engaging and I also agree that 1-2 shift remain the weak point from my early days with BMWs. That said, with the current turbo cars, you just can't beat the constant flow of power with DCT. When I feel like it, I put it in Sports+, paddle shift it and let the tires chirp from 1-2, 2-3. It's so intoxicating. It's an individual choice whether you go MT or DCT. Just like your color choice. So no bashing please. Just enjoy your baby.
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If I get one, which I'm still not sure, I will go back to manual. I got DCT in the E92 just because I thought it was better paired with the engine. It always gets a little boring tho.
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If I get one, which I'm still not sure, I will go back to manual. I got DCT in the E92 just because I thought it was better paired with the engine. It always gets a little boring tho.
The MT is the e92 M3 was sub-par IMHO. The MT in the M2/M3/M4 is much better.
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The MT is the e92 M3 was sub-par IMHO. The MT in the M2/M3/M4 is much better.
Definitely. I had both an F80 and an F82 in manual already
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F90 M5 makes 553lb-ft in its stock form which is already higher than what the DCT is rated at. The main reason BMW chose ZF over DCT on F90 is because of the torque limitation of the DCT not bacause of ZF being faster.
Also I think that the M5 market appreciates the ZF8 more so than the DCT.
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- 1-2 shift is indeed not always as smooth as other shifts.
- Clutch stop fixes the high engagement point and it takes less than a minute to install.
- Definitely not as good as Porsche's MT.
- MT feeling slow totally depends on your shifting style. You may never able to shift faster than DCT but with quick shifting the difference is negligible IMO.

Also, another big disadvantage of MT that I want to add is the risk money shifting. It just takes a single mis-shift to ruin your engine and transmission. It's impossible to money shift with DCT.

DCT is a great transmission, I'm sure it'll still be plenty of fun
Drove a MT F80 yesterday. it certainly didnt feel as fast as the DCT equipped cars.

Also im a realitivly short person, so I had to sit pretty close to the steering wheel so I could operate the clutch, and this made my chest way to close to the steering wheel IMO, a Clutch Stop is a must..
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I drove both manual and DCT. The DCT is a no brainer, it is very smart. There is no way anyone is going to get the most power out of a stick unless they really know the clutch and how the engine responds. I wouldn't expect that to happen on the first day.
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Going to 6MT in my M2C, easier resale. Solely the reason Im going to it. The DCT M2 is faster in every way. Sorry folks, just reality and I dont care about rowing my own boat. Never have in the 20 years Ive owned M cars or other similar cars. To me it is about speed and the fastest lap when I track. Ive never posted a faster lap in any manual car vs a similar car with some sort of auto.
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the MT in the M2 is awful, I would never get it again

I am coming from a C7 Z06, the tremec in that car is night and day compared to my M2
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