[Tag]

Originally Posted by moonshine89

Beyond having four doors....how is the m3 zcp any different/better than an m2 comp?

To name a few...

• More color choices
• More wheel options
• Nicer interior, better leather and multiple upholstery colors, options and trims
• M Sport seats with break throughs
• s55 with 444hp vs M2 Comps with 405hp
• Adaptive M suspension
• Optional executive package comes with side and top view cameras & head-up display
• Optional M carbon ceramic brakes

Originally Posted by moonshine89

Maybe I have this all wrong. I guess the m3/4 doesn't have to be better than an M2, just a proportional increase in size/power?

It depends on your definition of better. Some people want a larger car for versatility, others want a smaller car for handling and others yet want a Porsche.

Originally Posted by moonshine89

If that were the case then the m5 wouldn't be significantly faster than the m3/4.

Apples/Oranges

Originally Posted by moonshine89

How will BMW differentiate an M4 and M2? I mean I have an m3 cause I have a kid and another on the way...meaning I need the 4 doors...

Size, price, power, luxury...

Originally Posted by moonshine89

But if I had an m4 zcp, I would be pissed knowing the m2 comp is coming out with the same engine and is significantly smaller. And now it even has m buttons!

Same engine, not the same power output and different platform.

Originally Posted by moonshine89

Can anyone shed some light on this?

Moonlight?

[moonshine89]

Originally Posted by Tag

To name a few...

• More color choices
• More wheel options
• Nicer interior, better leather and multiple upholstery colors, options and trims
• M Sport seats with break throughs
• s55 with 444hp vs M2 Comps with 405hp
• Adaptive M suspension
• Optional executive package comes with side and top view cameras & head-up display
• Optional M carbon ceramic brakes

It depends on your definition of better. Some people want a larger car for versatility, others want a smaller car for handling and others yet want a Porsche.

Apples/Oranges

Size, price, power, luxury...

Same engine, not the same power output and different platform.

Moonlight?

Wow! Thanks!

Makes a lot more sense on paper.

I will say that if the s55 going into the m2 is 'detuned' I feel like it's going to be pretty easy to retune it back to s55 m3 lvl and beyond.

For me, m3 is necessary, but damn! An m2 with an tuned s55 sounds like a beast!!!! Who needs fancy leather...although the exec pack is nice...

Can't wait to see what people end up doing to the m2 comp. I'm also curious how much it'll be.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by moonshine89

But if I had an m4 zcp, I would be pissed knowing the m2 comp is coming out with the same engine and is significantly smaller. And now it even has m buttons!

Can anyone shed some light on this?

For one the S55 in the M2 will be detuned, we are still not sure if that is just tune related or hardware changes as well. M4 will still be a more premium vehicle, sporting merino leather with optional extended leather, carbon roof, carbon deck lid, adaptive suspension...etc. M2 Competition will continue to have cost cutting to keep price under M4.

The upside to the M2 for many is the size, or should I say lack of size. It is the same length as the E46 M3, but almost 3in wider. It just has those perfect proportions. Some like that, some don’t. I don’t think M4 owners have anything to be pissed about, they own a great car.

Edit: Didn’t see someone already addressed your post above.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

Is that gloss black trim I see?

That's awesome !

"But first you have to visualize... Only then can you clearly see"

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

Is that gloss black trim I see?

Affirmative.

[WAY]

I’ve also had confirmation of M3 like carbon strut brace. Artemis you have a picture confirmation of that yet?

[Mastersteve]

Originally Posted by NYAWE60

This looks great. This car with the S55 will be a total weapon.

It will be fast but not more. The n55 had one of the nicest sounds for a six cylinder but the m2 competition with the s55 will sound like shit. I think they will also lose a lot of interested people, just because of that fact.

[Colinv6]

I keep looking at the Seat pic and thinking the outer bolster nearest the door when it’s closed, looks like alcantara... maybe just the light but it definitely looks like it.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Colinv6

I keep looking at the Seat pic and thinking the outer bolster nearest the door when it’s closed, looks like alcantara... maybe just the light but it definitely looks like it.

See here:

Originally Posted by Artemis

How the M Sport Seats may look inside the M2 Competition (option code 712):
one-piece black F82 M4 seats (not the ZCP version featuring cut-outs) including the ///M logo hexagon plaque at the top of the middle part, but this time in black Dakota leather, blue or orange contrast-stitching, the block/stripe design in the middle part (4 blocks on base and 6 blocks on upper/vertical middle seat part) in a different color (for example orange if the contrast stitching is orange) either plain or perforated (depending on the chosen option), and a slice of alcantara (instead of leather) curving along the outside of the upper/vertical seat part (the part parallel with, and closest to, the door) (not inside the side bolsters as on the M4 CS).

[farns2345]

Just reveal the car already BMW

[SW19]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Take a closer look at the seats picture: looks can deceive, that much is true, but this looks pretty much like Dakota leather.

Yep,after looking at the pic you posted again it’s definitely Dakota leather.So someone pays extra because they want the upgraded M Seats and they won’t have the premium Merino leather.BMW really cheaped out on this one.The only reason why BMW would do this is because they don’t want the M2 Competition to have the same leather as the M3 and M4.They want to save the premium leather for the more expensive model.This is probably the first time that M seats have been made without premium leather like Nappa and Merino.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by IB M

Kinda like my basic 17 M2 as it is and the 7,000 Miles of driving to date.
Can someone list out all the different M2 variants now or future available so I can know what to be jealous of ...
So far
18LCI
The white stripper edition in white

"The white stripper edition in white" - aka ZL9

18 LCI

18 black shadow edition

[F87_LCI]

Originally Posted by Mastersteve

It will be fast but not more. The n55 had one of the nicest sounds for a six cylinder but the m2 competition with the s55 will sound like shit. I think they will also lose a lot of interested people, just because of that fact.

I don't think as many people as you think care THAT much about the sound. Performance is going to be #1 criteria for people buying these cars. Everyone thought it was a travesty that the current M2's didn't come with M-Mirrors and the M-hump on the hood..."What? No funny looking mirrors? Garbage. No one will buy it." ...yet it was still very difficult to get an allocation for 3 years and people waited months (I myself waited for over 400 days). Sound is subjective and fairly easy to change with an aftermarket exhaust. It's also one of the things you can very easily forgive/forget when you are murdering people on the track.

[evanevery]

Those sport seats look even LESS helmet friendly than the ones in the M4...

[adc]

Originally Posted by evanevery

Those sport seats look even LESS helmet friendly than the ones in the M4...

How so?

For reference I’m fine with the helmet on my M3. Maybe I have a thinner helmet?

[Tag]

It'll be interesting to see if tilting those sport seats forward and moving them towards the dash to get in the back has the same design flaw as the M4 where it would crush the sun visor mirror.

[Levente_CSL]

the seats and the gauge will be an option. im gonna be really pissed if the standard M2 comp will cost the same as our m2 now.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Levente_CSL

the seats and the gauge will be an option. im gonna be really pissed if the standard M2 comp will cost the same as our m2 now.

These are the same gauges as the MY18 LCI, new design is standard now.

[stvding]

Originally Posted by akkando

Because people complained they couldn't see the pre LCI analog gauges clearly in some lighting conditions.

People complain about squeaky brake as well. They didn't do sh1t

[evanevery]

Originally Posted by adc

How so?

For reference I’m fine with the helmet on my M3. Maybe I have a thinner helmet?

Although I truly have a large head, other folks have complained about the seats as well. I've heard this fairly frequently at BMW Advanced Schools.

The fixed headrest just pushes my helmeted head too far forward to be comfortable. Before I re-did my interior (with custom covered, contrast stitched, bmw illuminated logo'ed, Recaro Profi XL seats ;-), I actually had to make a custom seat back cushion that strapped securely onto the seat (for track use). This would separate me from the seat back enough that my head wasn't pushed forward by the fixed headrest. It however also removed virtually all lateral support in the shoulder area.

It should be noted that I've driven a lot of BMW's (M5, M6, X6M, M3, M4, M2, M1) on the track (with a helmet) and the current M3/M4 is the only one I've had this issue with... (even the older M3's did not have this issue)

[akkando]

Originally Posted by stvding

People complain about squeaky brake as well. They didn't do sh1t

Okay?

[stvding]

Originally Posted by akkando

Okay?

Haha