[M3_WC]

Stripper no option, basically as the M2 sits now...but with a detuned S55. I'd say around $60k, maybe a little under.

Then option from there how you like.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

an M2 already can get there with all options and all M performance parts..\
Someone recently indicated a car was optioned up to $70K.

Sure, I am just thinking that more of that kit could be standard on the Competition (like a sports exhaust maybe, or more CF bits).

[M3_WC]

People really don't follow this forum do they? All the standard equipment and options are available to see on various threads, via the vins.

For the last time there is no carbon ceramics. The M2 Competition is getting a 2NH brake package(most likely 6 piston front, larger steel rotors).

[WAY]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

People really don't follow this forum do they? All the standard equipment and options are available to see on various threads, via the vins.

For the last time there is no carbon ceramics. The M2 Competition is getting a 2NH brake package(most likely 6 piston front, larger steel rotors).

To be fair we don’t really know that. Just because they have not built one with it doesn’t guarantee that there wouldn’t be one down the track.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Sure, I am just thinking that more of that kit could be standard on the Competition (like a sports exhaust maybe, or more CF bits).

I've tried to kinda stay out of the speculation... but to be honest.. I don't expect much of a price bump at all due to previous history.

the E36 M3 did not increase price significantly S50 to S52
the E36 Z3M did not increase price significantly from S50 to S52

the 135 did not increase price significantly from N54 to N54T to N55
the E90 330 (N52?) did not increase significantly when it became the 335 with an N54 motor
The F30 changed from N55 to a B58 I6 turbo with little change in price.
The 2 series went from M23 to M240 moving from N55 to B58 with little change in price.

Etc etc etc.. Perhaps I should be trying to find situations where the price DID change?

Based on past experience with changes to the motor during the lifespan... I expect a mild seasonal price increase of about 1-2K at best to around 56.5K..

All the other options can be added ala carte and will add some profit to the sale for the stealer.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

People really don't follow this forum do they? All the standard equipment and options are available to see on various threads, via the vins.

For the last time there is no carbon ceramics. The M2 Competition is getting a 2NH brake package(most likely 6 piston front, larger steel rotors).

Agree.. and this is as an OPTION, mind you...

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

I've tried to kinda stay out of the speculation... but to be honest.. I don't expect much of a price bump at all due to previous history.

the E36 M3 did not increase price significantly S50 to S52
the E36 Z3M did not increase price significantly from S50 to S52

the 135 did not increase price significantly from N54 to N54T to N55
the E90 330 (N52?) did not increase significantly when it became the 335 with an N54 motor
The F30 changed from N55 to a B58 I6 turbo with little change in price.
The 2 series went from M23 to M24 moving from N55 to B58 with little change in price.

Etc etc etc.. Perhaps I should be trying to find situations where the price DID change?

Based on past experience with changes to the motor during the lifespan... I expect a mild seasonal price increase of about 1-2K at best to around 56.5K.. All the other options can be added ala carte and will add some profit to the sale for the stealer.

There would be a lot of happy folks if you are right.

I wonder if it matters that the change is from an N to S motor? Might drive some of the uptick in price.

I've been guessing a number in the $59+ range, but you could be right - I mean, this car is still the entry M...harder to attract more buyers to the marquee when the "base" car goes into the 60K range.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

There would be a lot of happy folks if you are right.

I wonder if it matters that the change is from an N to S motor? Might drive some of the uptick in price.

I've been guessing a number in the $59+ range, but you could be right - I mean, this car is still the entry M...harder to attract more buyers to the marquee when the "base" car goes into the 60K range.

this isn't a money grab.. it's a money SAVINGS for BMW.

If there is any reason for this change.. it is because of emissions requirements or some other design.. some have mentioned the particulate filter ... .... and WLTP as the raison detre for switch to a more efficient motor design will allow BMW to KEEP selling the M2 without paying large penalties..

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-17-2822_en.htm

As of 1 September 2017, new car models will have to pass new and more reliable emissions tests in real driving conditions ("Real Driving Emissions" – RDE) as well as an improved laboratory test ("World Harmonised Light Vehicle Test Procedure" – WLTP) before they can be driven on European roads.


This test will complement a new, more realistic laboratory test procedure (WLTP test) for all emissions including CO2 and fuel consumption as well as NOx and other air pollutants. Both tests will become mandatory from September 2017 for all new car models and will be phased in for all new cars between 2018-2019


it seems to me that BMW has opted to simply modify the S55 for future use beyond 2017... While the N55 is simply set to expire as is.
With the S55 planned to be in the M3 through May.. and in the M4 for another 2 years til 2020... it seems that BMW has made the decision to prep just the one motor rather than also try to equip the N55 with whatever changes are needed to meet the regulations.

this theory would explain why the Comp model REPLACES rather than ADDS TO the lineup...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N55

At the site above is a list of all the models that the BMW N55 motor is in... Most of them have ended or been discontinued..

The M2 is set to change this year..

2015–present F26 X4 M40i has ended

2011–present F06/F12/F13 640i replaced by new model.

The F15/F16 X5/X6 still has the N55 NB30 but EOP for the X5 is 07/2018. The X6 is 07/2019 so another year.
2018 and up G02 X4 M40i and the X6 above appear to be the only vehicles that appears will carry an N55 beyond this year.. ?

There is a B58TU coming which could drop into the last two above..

[kfscoll]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

I've tried to kinda stay out of the speculation... but to be honest.. I don't expect much of a price bump at all due to previous history.

the E36 M3 did not increase price significantly S50 to S52
the E36 Z3M did not increase price significantly from S50 to S52

the 135 did not increase price significantly from N54 to N54T to N55
the E90 330 (N52?) did not increase significantly when it became the 335 with an N54 motor
The F30 changed from N55 to a B58 I6 turbo with little change in price.
The 2 series went from M23 to M240 moving from N55 to B58 with little change in price.

Etc etc etc.. Perhaps I should be trying to find situations where the price DID change?

Based on past experience with changes to the motor during the lifespan... I expect a mild seasonal price increase of about 1-2K at best to around 56.5K..

All the other options can be added ala carte and will add some profit to the sale for the stealer.

Makes an awful lot of sense and I’d be inclined to agree...except for the fact that it’ll be called “M2 Competition” and not simply “M2.” This implies that it’s positioned higher than a regular, base model M2 and I suspect it’ll have a ~$5K price bump to match. Plus, current M2 pricing is awfully close to that of the M240i - this will give BMW the opportunity to take the M2 a little more upmarket which is more in line with how the other M cars are positioned relative to their platform-mates.

I’m quite surprised that BMW didn’t keep the base M2 with a B58 variant and the M2 Competition with the S55. Maybe for the next gen. If they’d have gone with the B58 vs. the S55 then they definitely would’ve gone with, at most, the usual annual ~$1K price increase.

[Zevo]

I think a big price would kill sales. The M2 isn’t a new design, so a lot of the early adopters who want one have already purchased one. Not to mention, similar cars start in the 50s. I for one, won’t be buying if there is much increase in price, I’ll just buy a nice used one or one of the competitors

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Zevo

I think a big price would kill sales. The M2 isn’t a new design, so a lot of the early adopters who want one have already purchased one. Not to mention, similar cars start in the 50s. I for one, won’t be buying if there is much increase in price, I’ll just buy a nice used one or one of the competitors

Dealers didn't have much trouble selling them over sticker before, now the new one comes with the big daddy engine exclusive to the M cars, more power, probably a lot more as the N55 M2 wasn't underrated much like BMW usually does, and likely a better car for tuning. New bumper, wider car, M mirrors, black grill. All for probably 5k or less more than the current base price.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

People really don't follow this forum do they? All the standard equipment and options are available to see on various threads, via the vins.

For the last time there is no carbon ceramics. The M2 Competition is getting a 2NH brake package(most likely 6 piston front, larger steel rotors).

Can't tell you how many posts I've responded to trying to educate people. Got to a point where I gave up, let them dream.

[qnet]

Originally Posted by akkando

Dealers didn't have much trouble selling them over sticker before, now the new one comes with the big daddy engine exclusive to the M cars, more power, probably a lot more as the N55 M2 wasn't underrated much like BMW usually does, and likely a better car for tuning. New bumper, wider car, M mirrors, black grill. All for probably 5k or less more than the current base price.

It doesn't matter to me either way, but I thought the M2 was underrated just like other BMW's. I read somewhere that it dyno'd at 340-350 WHP.

[SW19]

Originally Posted by kfscoll

Makes an awful lot of sense and I’d be inclined to agree...except for the fact that it’ll be called “M2 Competition” and not simply “M2.” This implies that it’s positioned higher than a regular, base model M2 and I suspect it’ll have a ~$5K price bump to match. Plus, current M2 pricing is awfully close to that of the M240i - this will give BMW the opportunity to take the M2 a little more upmarket which is more in line with how the other M cars are positioned relative to their platform-mates.

I’m quite surprised that BMW didn’t keep the base M2 with a B58 variant and the M2 Competition with the S55. Maybe for the next gen. If they’d have gone with the B58 vs. the S55 then they definitely would’ve gone with, at most, the usual annual ~$1K price increase.

Exactly,why else would they change the name and drastically change the design of the car after only 2 years of the car being introduced.Has BMW ever done this before?

I originally thought the M2 Competition was going to have a modest increase to the base price of the car but now I wouldn’t be surprised if the base price is more than 5k over the price of the current M2.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by WAY

To be fair we don’t really know that. Just because they have not built one with it doesn’t guarantee that there wouldn’t be one down the track.

100 pre-production VIN’s, all with standard brakes or the 2NH brake option. Carbon Ceramics are not coming on the Competition. Year or two down the road, a CS or CSL model could get carbon ceramics.

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by Tag

Can't tell you how many posts I've responded to trying to educate people. Got to a point where I gave up, let them dream.

Oh I hear you!

[horsepower_and_hounds]

Originally Posted by kfscoll

Makes an awful lot of sense and I’d be inclined to agree...except for the fact that it’ll be called “M2 Competition” and not simply “M2.” This implies that it’s positioned higher than a regular, base model M2 and I suspect it’ll have a ~$5K price bump to match. Plus, current M2 pricing is awfully close to that of the M240i - this will give BMW the opportunity to take the M2 a little more upmarket which is more in line with how the other M cars are positioned relative to their platform-mates.

I’m quite surprised that BMW didn’t keep the base M2 with a B58 variant and the M2 Competition with the S55. Maybe for the next gen. If they’d have gone with the B58 vs. the S55 then they definitely would’ve gone with, at most, the usual annual ~$1K price increase.

How many of those engine changes without a big price change went up 40+ hp? Max tuned N55 to de-tuned S55 with extra turbo, liquid intercooler amongst other things has to be a slightly larger investment for BMW even if it is already developed and in current production. I would think

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by m2ruder

How many of those engine changes without a big price change went up 40+ hp? Max tuned N55 to de-tuned S55 with extra turbo, liquid intercooler amongst other things has to be a slightly larger investment for BMW even if it is already developed and in current production. I would think

That's along the lines of what I was asking further up the page - how many times have we seen a model go from an N-spec engine to an S-spec engine? I am sure the answer is 0...so there's no real precedent here. We can guess all we want, but there's no telling what BMW will do.

[horsepower_and_hounds]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

That's along the lines of what I was asking further up the page - how many times have we seen a model go from an N-spec engine to an S-spec engine? I am sure the answer is 0...so there's no real precedent here. We can guess all we want, but there's no telling what BMW will do.

Crap missed your post...sorry. Good point

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by m2ruder

Crap missed your post...sorry. Good point

I think we were basically saying the same thing.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by qnet

It doesn't matter to me either way, but I thought the M2 was underrated just like other BMW's. I read somewhere that it dyno'd at 340-350 WHP.

I think it generally Dynos at 330-335 at the wheel.

[Poochie]

I believe that BMW will do something very special with the M2 Comp. They see that people are willing to plunk down their funds at whatever is thrown at them, M2 related, not counting the dealer marks-ups. So price won't be a major factor, as long as it stays below the base M3 MSRP.

If you price a similar Audi or MB, their MSRP is way over $60,000, when you start playing with the options.. So breaking the 60k mark for the new M2 isn't so farfetched IMHO..

We keep forgetting that BMW is a business and in it to make money; they're not doing anyone any favors.. Hence, if they see an opportunity to milk it, they'll choke that cow.. Which is what the M2 is to them, as far as a sure thing. I call it now; the new M2 will base at over 60k for the manual. Add 3k for the DCT...