[akkando]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Seriously... I don't know how one steps from a $52-55k M2 on up to a $95k cayman.

I mean really .. that's like two used M2. One for the weekdays and one to make a track car out of. And the mod money for the track car is in the options list for the cayman cuz you won't be buying a stripper 718 GT4.

The upside though is you can drive the GT4 for a couple of years and then sell it at a profit.

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Except the scale on the house side is SO much larger that it's not a good example - all I am saying is that if you're willing to spend a certain amount on an M2 (which is not 52K, please show me one that I can buy today at that price!), then you could be in a situation where (over 5 years), a more expensive car isn't that big of a financial hit.

It's all about how you want to spend what you've got.

I assume you're referring to a brand new M2 at 52k?

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

I assume you're referring to a brand new M2 at 52k?

Correct - I know an M2 could be (in theory) ordered at such a price, but I have yet to see many examples in the sub-60 range. Most cars that are out there for sale are in the low to mid 60s (because dealers like to add M performance options to jack the price up).

[akkando]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Correct - I know an M2 could be (in theory) ordered at such a price, but I have yet to see many examples in the sub-60 range. Most cars that are out there for sale are in the low to mid 60s (because dealers like to add M performance options to jack the price up).

I think a REALLY high percent of sold M2s are customer ordered and coming in thousands below 60k.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by akkando

I think a REALLY high percent of sold M2s are customer ordered and coming in thousands below 60k.

I wonder - that's a good question, and certainly would make sense of the folks on the forum. I am not sure about M2 sales generally though...

[Tag]

Brand new M2 is $54,500. I honestly don't think the starting price for an M2 Competition will be over $60k. I think their marketing strategy is to keep the base price below $60k. That way everyone will say you can get into one for below $60k and where BMW will really make its $$$ is on options.

[Dr.Deep]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

I assume you're referring to a brand new M2 at 52k?

Holy! Always when I see the price you pay in the states

Think I need to buy my next car in the US and ship it to Switzerland

At what does an M3 M4 starts there?

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by akkando

Try living in Northern California Bay area for housing prices!

Southern California is just the same.

[SM2]

Wait, I thought that m2 competition and CS are two different cars coming out.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

Southern California is just the same.

I dunno stuff looks like it's on sale to me from here...

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Tag

Brand new M2 is $54,500. I honestly don't think the starting price for an M2 Competition will be over $60k. I think their marketing strategy is to keep the base price below $60k. That way everyone will say you can get into one for below $60k and where BMW will really make its $$$ is on options.

Yea it will be like 58,890 or something

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Daaan

Holy! Always when I see the price you pay in the states

Think I need to buy my next car in the US and ship it to Switzerland

At what does an M3 M4 starts there?

M4 base price is around $70K... I saw an M4 on the lot marked up to about $84K last weekend

[Transfer]

Originally Posted by Tag

Brand new M2 is $54,500. I honestly don't think the starting price for an M2 Competition will be over $60k. I think their marketing strategy is to keep the base price below $60k. That way everyone will say you can get into one for below $60k and where BMW will really make its $$$ is on options.

$59,999.95. You heard it here first.

I expect $3k minimum bump if just S55 and minor body tweaks. $5-6k bump if seats or carbon roof as well. $15k bump if M-mirrors.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by akkando

Yea it will be like 58,890 or something

Originally Posted by Transfer

$59,999.95. You heard it here first.

I expect $3k minimum bump if just S55 and minor body tweaks. $5-6k bump if seats or carbon roof as well. $15k bump if M-mirrors.

My prediction going back to December 2017 was $58,500 for the base price, not including D&H. I still stand by that figure. Game on!

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by akkando

I dunno stuff looks like it's on sale to me from here...

It's a revolving door.

Old to new.

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by Daaan

Holy! Always when I see the price you pay in the states

Think I need to buy my next car in the US and ship it to Switzerland

At what does an M3 M4 starts there?

The M3 MSRP including destination charge is $67,495. Note that here in the US BMWNA mandates many things that are optional elsewhere in the base configuration of all its cars too, so the "deal", so to speak, might even look more wild to you if you go through and configure a local purchase M3 in Switzerland with all the options that go into the base M3 here (things like Comfort Access are standard here for example).

It looks like a base M3 there with most options that are standard here comes in around CHF 99,000 which is ~ $106,000.

[Dr.Deep]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

The M3 MSRP including destination charge is $67,495. Note that here in the US BMWNA mandates many things that are optional elsewhere in the base configuration of all its cars too, so the "deal", so to speak, might even look more wild to you if you go through and configure a local purchase M3 in Switzerland with all the options that go into the base M3 here (things like Comfort Access are standard here for example).

It looks like a base M3 there with most options that are standard here comes in around CHF 99,000 which is ~ $106,000.

I see, thanks for the explanation. Here in Switzerland, we do have as well some of the packages, that are exclusive to Switzerland and are included in base (Adaptive LED and so on), but you still have a lot of things to choose. For example, a base M3 starts here at 99'771$.
If I put it togheter with the things I would optionally choose, I'm at around 117k.

As a comparison, my M2, if converted to USD, was 88k. Though, fully equipped.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

M4 base price is around $70K... I saw an M4 on the lot marked up to about $84K last weekend

Yep - my F80 was 81 before negotiated discount...and it was not the most expensive option. I think there was an M4 available that was pushing 87...

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by akkando

Yea it will be like 58,890 or something

You are probably right...but I could also see a base price that reflects a higher premium for the inclusion of the S55.

It will be interesting to see.

[M3 Adjuster]

https://www.caranddriver.com/compari...mparison-tests


Just spent a little time over at C and D looking at some ostensible competitors..

2018 Audi TT RS -------------- 2017 Porsche 718 Cayman S

BASE PRICE $65,875 -------------- $67,350
PRICE AS TESTED $80,200 ---------------- $81,590


TTRS is the top of the Audi line and there are both a base TT , a TT-S, below the TT-RS... three models
Cayman still has both a GTS and an upcoming GT4 which are above the S and base .. both in features and price.

The fact that BMW just has a single vehicle in this space.. where competitors have as many as FOUR models.. is quite surprising. Actually.. i suppose i am selling the 228 and the M240 a bit short... so perhaps BMW does have three models.. it's just that the sportiest version of a 2 series... doesn't really extend anywhere near these competitors.

At $54,500 ... or even maxed out to 64-65K.. the M2 is a terrific value.

at any rate.. I still feel the notion of a " stripper" GT4 being available... for under six figures ... is really a wet dream.

[Chako]

And the RS3, which has the A3 & S3 under it - and is more comparable to the 2-series than either of those cars you mentioned starts @ $54.9K

What do you think of the ZL1 1LE value, which gives you GT3 performance & 650HP in a driver oriented/fun package for ~$71k?

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Chako

And the RS3, which has the A3 & S3 under it - and is more comparable to the 2-series than either of those cars you mentioned starts @ $54.9K

What do you think of the ZL1 1LE value, which gives you GT3 performance & 650HP in a driver oriented/fun package for ~$71k?

I have a friend of mine that thought so much of it that he sold his F80 M3 and bought a Camaro 1LE about 2 years back.. He had fun in the Camaro for about 15-18 months and sold it and got back into a BMW.


The RS3 is a four seat sedan vs the Audi TT (listed on the Audi Coupe and convertibles page) and the M2 and the Cayman.
The Cayman S is only a 2 seater but certainly is a coupe. IF BMW made a 2 series sedan then the RS3 would be a direct competitor as opposed to a competitor on price. While i realize that the RS3 sells for the same price as an M2. IF we are simply comparing vehicle prices.. then an SAV like the Macan or Audi SQ5 would also be considered " competitors" for the M2 or the RS3.