[mtoosexy]

Originally Posted by TunedM2

Same here. Looks like we'll be the first two deliveries in the Chicagoland area.

....wait a second, I am also number 1 on my dealers list... in the Chicago land area. I suppose there are at least 3 or more BMW dealerships around here Maybe all three of ours will be shipping container buddies on the open sea

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by mtoosexy

....wait a second, I am also number 1 on my dealers list... in the Chicago land area. I suppose there are at least 3 or more BMW dealerships around here Maybe all three of ours will be shipping container buddies on the open sea

Mine will be on the boat ahead of yours!

[mtoosexy]

Originally Posted by doug_999

Mine will be on the boat ahead of yours!

hahaha... $1 says mine gets here first

[filet.M2c]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I just wish we knew what the whole lineup looked like - aka, will the Competition be the last M2 for the F87 generation? Or are we going to get something more hardcore (CSL?)

The lack of verified info puts you in a tough place as a potential customer...

I believe the 2 cars (comp vs CS/CSL) will target different demographics, so ultimately won't matter much. Comp will be a car designed for the street with with slightly compromised track capabilities that can be remedied in the aftermarket. The CSL will be almost entirely dedicated to the track with major compromises to street driving (cage, no rear seats, ect). Personally, not interested in the CSL, even though it will be awesome if they make it. Also, there will probably be at least a $20K gap ($65K vs $85K), which would be hard to stomach.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by synergist

I believe the 2 cars (comp vs CS/CSL) will target different demographics, so ultimately won't matter much. Comp will be a car designed for the street with with slightly compromised track capabilities that can be remedied in the aftermarket. The CSL will be almost entirely dedicated to the track with major compromises to street driving (cage, no rear seats, ect). Personally, not interested in the CSL, even though it will be awesome if they make it. Also, there will probably be at least a $20K gap ($65K vs $85K), which would be hard to stomach.

I think you're definitely right about how the cars will be distinguishable - but like I had said before, I could live with compromises IF the car is worth it, like a GT4 or GT3 would be worth it.

I wonder if your 65K number is where the M2Comp will end up. If so, I think that's going to be too high of a price point...a 718S starts around 67 if I remember correctly...not much left in terms of value proposition for the M2 when the prices are that close.

Yes, most 718s are specced far beyond that figure. But most M2s are as well - my local dealer has a few and they're all pushing 65-68K. For the civic version. which means you know these Competition models will have all kinds of crap slapped on them by dealers to keep pushing that price point up.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by mtoosexy

hahaha... $1 says mine gets here first

Make it 5 thousand and a dealership will declare you a winner !

[ChrisK]

Can't wait for April.

Also, Chi-town comp cars - we need to meet up!

[Mstigator]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

Can't wait for April.

Also, Chi-town comp cars - we need to meet up!

Meet up to compare whose exhaust sounds worse?

Gotta say a lot of times the newest thing is not the next best thing.

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by Mstigator

Meet up to compare whose exhaust sounds worse?

Gotta say a lot of times the newest thing is not the next best thing.

I LOVE my new M3s exhaust! Seeing as I've always wanted a John Deere, now, every morning, I feel like I'm starting one!

[mtoosexy]

Originally Posted by Mstigator

Meet up to compare whose exhaust sounds worse?

Gotta say a lot of times the newest thing is not the next best thing.

That is the only thing I'm not thrilled about as of right now. Hope it doesn't sound to Bad.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I think you're definitely right about how the cars will be distinguishable - but like I had said before, I could live with compromises IF the car is worth it, like a GT4 or GT3 would be worth it.

I wonder if your 65K number is where the M2Comp will end up. If so, I think that's going to be too high of a price point...a 718S starts around 67 if I remember correctly...not much left in terms of value proposition for the M2 when the prices are that close.

Yes, most 718s are specced far beyond that figure. But most M2s are as well - my local dealer has a few and they're all pushing 65-68K. For the civic version. which means you know these Competition models will have all kinds of crap slapped on them by dealers to keep pushing that price point up.

As far as slapped on extras it's going to be CRAZY for the first year. These mofos are going to come LOADED because there appears to be a lot more options this time around and people are going to be going nuts for them for the first year, maybe for the second year too since who knows what kind of 2 series M comes after that on the next platform?

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by akkando

As far as slapped on extras it's going to be CRAZY for the first year. These mofos are going to come LOADED because there appears to be a lot more options this time around and people are going to be going nuts for them for the first year, maybe for the second year too since who knows what kind of 2 series M comes after that on the next platform?

I think they’re not going to sell as well as they might if dealers do go about it that way. I’m not sure people are going to pony up 5-10k over sticker when the car is more expensive to begin with PLUS can be optioned to a much higher sticker.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I think they’re not going to sell as well as they might if dealers do go about it that way. I’m not sure people are going to pony up 5-10k over sticker when the car is more expensive to begin with PLUS can be optioned to a much higher sticker.

And don't underestimate the aspect that a lot of potential M2 Competition customers are currently 'off-market':

• as they already got an M2 (sometimes after a long wait); many of those who lusted for a 1M but were too late to order one, got in line for an M2;
• as they are not tempted to trade-in in 2018 (possible reasons: unattractive trade-in offers for their current M2, stuck in a 36 or 48-months lease, bad memories about the previous waiting-line experience, or simply because they are not interested and prefer keeping their M2);
• the fact that the M2 Competition will get a price bump closer to M3/M4 price-territory won't help either.

So I'm curious how well the 'M2 Competition' sales will fare. Inevitably a frenzy the first months, but after that first wave things may quickly cool down.

I'm afraid that should M2 Competition sales (as well as M3 CS and M4 CS sales) fail to live up to BMW's expectations, the fate of a possible hardcore M2 will be sealed (should a ray of light of hope currently still exist for any such car). Can enough M3/M4 customers be swayed to 'downsize' to an M2 Competition ? And competing car brands also release cars that may interest the M2 Competition target group.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I think they’re not going to sell as well as they might if dealers do go about it that way. I’m not sure people are going to pony up 5-10k over sticker when the car is more expensive to begin with PLUS can be optioned to a much higher sticker.

Some guys are already selling their M2 to move up... so YES there will be people in line.

I'm calling you totally wrong on this one.
I'm with Artemis There have been guys taking themselves out of the market for 4 months *already* waiting for this car.

The new cars will come in loaded just like the original M2 HEA... most buyers won't even have a chance to make their order. And of course people that want MG will be scrambling for 2018s along with dudes that waited and get stickershock. Your crystal ball may actually be simply broken. :

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Artemis

And don't underestimate the aspect that a lot of potential M2 Competition customers are currently 'off-market':

• as they already got an M2 (sometimes after a long wait); many of those who lusted for a 1M but were too late to order one, got in line for an M2;
• as they are not tempted to trade-in in 2018 (possible reasons: unattractive trade-in offers for their current M2, stuck in a 36 or 48-months lease, bad memories about the previous waiting-line experience, or simply because they are not interested and prefer keeping their M2);
• the fact that the M2 Competition will get a price bump closer to M3/M4 price-territory won't help either.

So I'm curious how well the 'M2 Competition' sales will fare. Inevitably a frenzy the first months, but after that first wave things may quickly cool down.

I'm afraid that should M2 Competition sales (as well as M3 CS and M4 CS sales) fail to live up to BMW's expectations, the fate of a possible hardcore M2 will be sealed (should a ray of light of hope currently still exist for any such car). Can enough M3/M4 customers be swayed to 'downsize' to an M2 Competition ? And competing car brands also release cars that may interest the M2 Competition target group.

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Some guys are already selling their M2 to move up... so YES there will be people in line.

I'm calling you totally wrong on this one.
I'm with Artemis There have been guys taking themselves out of the market for 4 months *already* waiting for this car.

The new cars will come in loaded just like the original M2 HEA... most buyers won't even have a chance to make their order. And of course people that want MG will be scrambling for 2018s along with dudes that waited and get stickershock. Your crystal ball may actually be simply broken. :

We shall see - I know I am not paying M3 prices (70+K) for the S55 M2, if that's the main difference for the Comp version, because the interior is pretty low rent at the moment and the seats especially are not very good (make fun all you want, it matters some) - but there might be folks who are totally down for that, which I can respect for sure.

As you might remember, one of the main gripes I have with my F80 is the lack of an inspiring sound...the civic M2 actually sounds better now already - so you're asking people to get excited about the capabilities of the motor, but not the sound. I am not sure that will be enough for the average potential M2 buyer, especially if we get to the wrong kind of price point.

But maybe it will just be that good with more BHP and the other expected tweaks - hard to know before it formally debuts.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by mtoosexy

That is the only thing I'm not thrilled about as of right now. Hope it doesn't sound to Bad.

My guess is that it will sound similar to the M3/4 ZCP.

So a 5 on a 10 point scale (coming from a current owner).

It's not awful, but it's not great either.

[Fear-Mongrel]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

because the interior is pretty low rent at the moment and the seats especially are not very good (make fun all you want, it matters some) - but there might be folks who are totally down for that, which I can respect for sure.

Just watched another YouTube video from Archie Hamilton Racing, and like me he also prefers the M2 seats to the M3/M4 seats. Setting aside whether the M2's interior is "low rent" (I'm coming from a Mazda so from my perspective it sure as hell isn't low rent, but maybe I'm just not rich enough to refer to an all-leather and alcantara interior as low-rent), I'm surprised how many people on this forum don't like the M2 seats. I know the leather isn't as good (though of course the upside is durability, a plus in its favor), but we simply found them far more comfortable than the M3/M4 seats, and forget about the open-back upgrade competition seats. We couldn't wait to get out of those after about 10 minutes. The Dakota leather isn't soft or supple, but the M2 seats just work so well. But then again, I'm 5'8 and only 165lbs, and 35% of the USA is obese, so I'm allowing for the possibility that some drivers are already carrying enough cushion around and don't need what the M2 seats offer. Do the M3/M4 seats look cooler? Yes, definitely. But I have to put function over style when it comes to comfort.

As an aside, Archie is adding an exhaust to his M2, but I found it interesting that so far he's opting not to add a tune to the car. I'm paraphrasing, but in two different videos he said the horsepower to weight ratio is already perfect, and the driveability of the current M2 is so good he thinks adding horsepower may take it too far.

[champignon]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

And of course people that want MG will be scrambling for 2018s along with dudes that waited and get stickershock.

I have a stripped 6MT in MG coming to the Western US early next month. I would entertain offers with a modest upcharge of 100%. Please PM me.

[greasypeanut]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

As you might remember, one of the main gripes I have with my F80 is the lack of an inspiring sound...the civic M2 actually sounds better now already - so you're asking people to get excited about the capabilities of the motor, but not the sound.

Whats your reasoning for calling the og M2 "civic m2"?

Will the new comp model be the accord m2?

I lurk on the f8x forums and I've seen people make analogies about non zcp s55 to civic motors (sound)

So just curious as to your reasoning.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by afwares

Just watched another YouTube video from Archie Hamilton Racing, and like me he also prefers the M2 seats to the M3/M4 seats. Setting aside whether the M2's interior is "low rent" (I'm coming from a Mazda so from my perspective it sure as hell isn't low rent, but maybe I'm just not rich enough to refer to an all-leather and alcantara interior as low-rent), I'm surprised how many people on this forum don't like the M2 seats. I know the leather isn't as good (though of course the upside is durability, a plus in its favor), but we simply found them far more comfortable than the M3/M4 seats, and forget about the open-back upgrade competition seats. We couldn't wait to get out of those after about 10 minutes. The Dakota leather isn't soft or supple, but the M2 seats just work so well. But then again, I'm 5'8 and only 165lbs, and 35% of the USA is obese, so I'm allowing for the possibility that some drivers are already carrying enough cushion around and don't need what the M2 seats offer. Do the M3/M4 seats look cooler? Yes, definitely. But I have to put function over style when it comes to comfort.

As an aside, Archie is adding an exhaust to his M2, but I found it interesting that so far he's opting not to add a tune to the car. I'm paraphrasing, but in two different videos he said the horsepower to weight ratio is already perfect, and the driveability of the current M2 is so good he thinks adding horsepower may take it too far.

My last three cars have been (in order) 235, 981CS, F80 ZCP. That's where the low rent comment comes from - the M2 is certainly more special than the 235 was from that perspective, but is still a far cry from a 981/F80.

I've talked about the value proposition of the M2 in other threads - it makes all kinds of sense in the mid 50K range. You are getting so much fun and performance in a (relatively) affordable package. But unless you order one in that range, I have not seem many for sale without the 27 obligatory M performance parts that arrive on a dealer-ordered car. Which takes you into the high 60s...now you're starting to approach cars that have more performance and better neighborhoods to sit in on the inside. The value proposition starts to shrink precipitously.

Will the S55 and other tweaks for the competition M2 make it a better performer? One would think so...but do those changes allow the M2 to truly play in a different weight (aka MSRP) class? I am not sure - like I said, it depends on the totality of the package and what they're charging for it.

I also really like the ZCP seats in my F80, which I don't love overall.

Also, that's a very fine chardonnay you're drinking.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by greasypeanut

Whats your reasoning for calling the og M2 "civic m2"?

Will the new comp model be the accord m2?

I lurk on the f8x forums and I've seen people make analogies about non zcp s55 to civic motors (sound)

So just curious as to your reasoning.

It's just a joke - aka, the civic M3/4 are the base (non ZCP, CS, or GTS) models.

Same applies here...

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

And of course people that want MG will be scrambling for 2018s along with dudes that waited and get stickershock.

BMWBlog consistently keeps quoting Mineral Grey as one of the available M2 Competition colors.

Personally I think that that piece of information is inaccurate, as none of the 118 retrieved M2 Competition test mules has the MG body color. They are all AW, BSM, LBB, HS or Sunset O.