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      12-13-2017, 05:53 AM   #45
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I have owned MY14 F30 M3 non-Competition, and now having the delivery of MY18 F87 M2 which is about to get delivered to my dealer today and will be ready for me within a week after parts installed.

S55 is a definitely better engine, no doubt about it. Just the sound is not as one could expect and have to agree N55 has better sound. M2 owners can say N55 is just enough for the street and will just be sufficient unless you are on track. Well, that it partially right and partially wrong. S55 pulls a lot better and it is more capable for further tuning as well. Of course, it is price that will define if one will take superior S55 over N55 in their car if choice is given.
Price is a non issue for me, especially when it is most likely 10g price difference or less. The awful sound is awful, no matter how "superior" it may or may not be. Find myself pointing and laughing when I hear M3's and M4's floor it at stoplights. Not quite as hard as when I hear a Honda with a fart cannon, but probably as hard as seeing a fat guy on a Scooter. It's unfortunate because I really like the M3. I couldn't live with a car that sounded like that. Don't mean to be dramatic...but I Would be sad every time I heard the exhaust note.
The only thing we don't know is if BMW was able to fix the exhaust sound on this M2 xxxxx. Don't forget the plumbing isn't exactly the same on an M2 as M3/M4. One bend could alter everything. The test mules don't sound bad.
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The only thing we don't know is if BMW was able to fix the exhaust sound on this M2 xxxxx. Don't forget the plumbing isn't exactly the same on an M2 as M3/M4. One bend could alter everything. The test mules don't sound bad.
I posted this previously, but the M4 is also not bad sounding with the AA exhaust. So it doesn’t ‘have to’ sound terrible, lol

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The only thing we don't know is if BMW was able to fix the exhaust sound on this M2 xxxxx. Don't forget the plumbing isn't exactly the same on an M2 as M3/M4. One bend could alter everything. The test mules don't sound bad.
I posted this previously, but the M4 is also not bad sounding with the AA exhaust. So it doesn’t ‘have to’ sound terrible, lol

That sounds fine by me! I will never get my S65 sound back again, so I have to be realistic.
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Price is a non issue for me, especially when it is most likely 10g price difference or less. The awful sound is awful, no matter how "superior" it may or may not be. Find myself pointing and laughing when I hear M3's and M4's floor it at stoplights. Not quite as hard as when I hear a Honda with a fart cannon, but probably as hard as seeing a fat guy on a Scooter. It's unfortunate because I really like the M3. I couldn't live with a car that sounded like that. Don't mean to be dramatic...but I Would be sad every time I heard the exhaust note.
I totally agree. Reason for me to also decided to go M2 is the "SOUND" after owning M3 for 3 years. Although it does make worst sound even compared to 335 back in the time, I loved the motor from power perspective, and I did help justify myself hearing fake interior sound which is better than what you hear from outside. I was shopping around and got my candidates down to RS3 and M2. Although my brain and logics told me to go for RS3 as it is a great car for living in North, Audi did not offer hatchback version and my heart kept me to go with M2. N55 in her makes beautiful sound as MPE made it even better as the car that I test drove had one... Mine just have arrived yesterday at dealership. After installing some MP carbon bits, she will be ready to be driven. I hope to get Fabspeed CP after break-in and looking forward to hear her roaring even better after that.
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I have owned MY14 F30 M3 non-Competition, and now having the delivery of MY18 F87 M2 which is about to get delivered to my dealer today and will be ready for me within a week after parts installed.

S55 is a definitely better engine, no doubt about it. Just the sound is not as one could expect and have to agree N55 has better sound. M2 owners can say N55 is just enough for the street and will just be sufficient unless you are on track. Well, that it partially right and partially wrong. S55 pulls a lot better and it is more capable for further tuning as well. Of course, it is price that will define if one will take superior S55 over N55 in their car if choice is given.
Price is a non issue for me, especially when it is most likely 10g price difference or less. The awful sound is awful, no matter how "superior" it may or may not be. Find myself pointing and laughing when I hear M3's and M4's floor it at stoplights. Not quite as hard as when I hear a Honda with a fart cannon, but probably as hard as seeing a fat guy on a Scooter. It's unfortunate because I really like the M3. I couldn't live with a car that sounded like that. Don't mean to be dramatic...but I Would be sad every time I heard the exhaust note.
The only thing we don't know is if BMW was able to fix the exhaust sound on this M2 xxxxx. Don't forget the plumbing isn't exactly the same on an M2 as M3/M4. One bend could alter everything. The test mules don't sound bad.
+1 on the one bend can alter much, BMW has down rated hp in models and added sound generators when trying to drop a motor into a different chassis. IIRC the S54 in the MZ4 specifically, as compared to the E46 M3
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You list everything that makes the S55 superior but is the "everything else"? you're referring to?

People are claiming spool time is better in the N55, which builds torque around 2100 rpm while the S55 is around 2500 rpm. Hardly a difference on the street and definitely not worth the loss of the extra 1k up top. The N55 undoubtedly sounds better and is still a great engine. Tuning potential needs no further explanation.

As far as pricing, regardless of whether the comp is high $50s or low to mid 60s, snagging up a 16-17 M2 for mid $40s sometime in the next 6-12 months is definitely a great proposition.
Refer to post 22.

I'm simply saying while the S55 is superior in some way, it is not superior in every way, and certainly not superior when the characteristics the driver values about the car/engine is not "bespoke engine code, more power, power to redline, and tuning potential".
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Refer to post 22.

I'm simply saying while the S55 is superior in some way, it is not superior in every way, and certainly not superior when the characteristics the driver values about the car/engine is not "bespoke engine code, more power, power to redline, and tuning potential".

Not sure I'm understanding your double negative here. Are you saying the benefits you listed, better power to redline,..ect, makes the S55 a wrong fit because of the sound and potentially ruining the balance of the car?

This chassis can definitely handle more power with a well adjusted suspension and sticky tires. IMO having the ability to throw on a sport cat and mild tune (now even available via OBD flash) and easily put down 440/440 to the wheels provides more utility. If balance issues arise, then using the flash, taper boost pressures and fine tune the power delivery/ suspension set up to suite your driving style. A large component of car ownership, for me at least, is improving the car and making it your own. As far as performance goes, having more power on the table to tap into provides better longevity by having different levels of noticeable improvement to jump to.

Like you said, its subjective. So if you value the sound disparity and believe the current overall balance of the M2 is optimal... then the N55 is the better engine.

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Superior in what way? HP/TQ? Power delivery? Reliability? Sound? It's all subjectively depending on what you value.

it doesn't automatically mean it's right for the balance of the car.

I will be spending most of my ownership swapping exhausts trying to remedy the sound...
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The only thing we don't know is if BMW was able to fix the exhaust sound on this M2 xxxxx. Don't forget the plumbing isn't exactly the same on an M2 as M3/M4. One bend could alter everything. The test mules don't sound bad.
I posted this previously, but the M4 is also not bad sounding with the AA exhaust. So it doesn’t ‘have to’ sound terrible, lol

So biased. Sounds like a civic with a fart can.
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So biased. Sounds like a civic with a fart can.
That does sound awful,hopefully the redesigned muffler in the M2 Competition will improve the exhaust note.
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So biased. Sounds like a civic with a fart can.
That does sound awful,hopefully the redesigned muffler in the M2 Competition will improve the exhaust note.
Header design probably has a lot to do with it.
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That sounds fine by me! I will never get my S65 sound back again, so I have to be realistic.
There's being realistic and there's settling. The M3/4 S55 is definitely settling.
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The only thing we don't know is if BMW was able to fix the exhaust sound on this M2 xxxxx. Don't forget the plumbing isn't exactly the same on an M2 as M3/M4. One bend could alter everything. The test mules don't sound bad.
I posted this previously, but the M4 is also not bad sounding with the AA exhaust. So it doesn’t ‘have to’ sound terrible, lol

So biased. Sounds like a civic with a fart can.
someone actually spent EXTRA MONEY to make the car sound like that!??!?!...I would take it back and try another option
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Hello guys ,

I'm from turkey / istanbul and looking buy for n55 m2 or competition i know all about the differences but i just want your ideas about ;

2018 m2 (n55)selling price around 5-10k km is 120.000 usd in turkey because of the stupid taxes

2019 m2c around 5k km is 170.000 usd .

There is around 50k usd differences between them so i can't choose if it is worth for .

Need your help guys

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Hello guys ,

I'm from turkey / istanbul and looking buy for n55 m2 or competition i know all about the differences but i just want your ideas about ;

2018 m2 (n55)selling price around 5-10k km is 120.000 usd in turkey because of the stupid taxes

2019 m2c around 5k km is 170.000 usd .

There is around 50k usd differences between them so i can't choose if it is worth for .

Need your help guys

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damn, this be rich people dough?!!

would supercars in euro be cheaper or similar pricing?
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That's a mighty big difference for an engine upgrade. Just based on that alone I'd say no, its not worth it. Most here would even say that in the US, a $20k upgrade from the M2 C to the M2CS is not worth it. But then again, these cars aren't for ordinary folks in Turkey, are they? All depends on how much $$ you got, and care about
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Hello guys ,

I'm from turkey / istanbul and looking buy for n55 m2 or competition i know all about the differences but i just want your ideas about ;

2018 m2 (n55)selling price around 5-10k km is 120.000 usd in turkey because of the stupid taxes

2019 m2c around 5k km is 170.000 usd .

There is around 50k usd differences between them so i can't choose if it is worth for .

Need your help guys

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damn, this be rich people dough?!!

would supercars in euro be cheaper or similar pricing?
Lol , i just sold 2012 458 italia 20k km around 335k . Turkey is so damn bad about car lovers , we pay %160+%18 taxes for new cars we buy . For example m2c 60k in us we pay almost 185k haha ridiculous.
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That's a mighty big difference for an engine upgrade. Just based on that alone I'd say no, its not worth it. Most here would even say that in the US, a $20k upgrade from the M2 C to the M2CS is not worth it. But then again, these cars aren't for ordinary folks in Turkey, are they? All depends on how much $$ you got, and care about
No it is not unfortunately , minimum wage is around 340 usd . So any people who earns this money can't afford theese cars thanks for your reply i think i'll go with the regular m2 because i will daily drive this car , 50k will still stay in my pocket 😃
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No it is not unfortunately , minimum wage is around 340 usd . So any people who earns this money can't afford theese cars thanks for your reply i think i'll go with the regular m2 because i will daily drive this car , 50k will still stay in my pocket 😃
Probably a wise choice!
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Yeah, I agree with what other people said, that's way too big of a price difference. The S55 engine is a little more special, but ultimately there isn't a HUGE difference between the two cars.

As a bonus, your car will sound better with an N55.
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Hello guys ,

I'm from turkey / istanbul and looking buy for n55 m2 or competition i know all about the differences but i just want your ideas about ;

2018 m2 (n55)selling price around 5-10k km is 120.000 usd in turkey because of the stupid taxes

2019 m2c around 5k km is 170.000 usd .

There is around 50k usd differences between them so i can't choose if it is worth for .

Need your help guys

Thanks
I'm not sure what your drive and/or the roads are like there in Turkey - but I found the N55 to be a better engine around town (stop and go) than the S55 which wants to go fast. I guess the best way to put that is the N55 felt faster to say 50 kph and then S55 felt faster after that.

But seriously, for almost 50% more, this should not even be a question - get the 2018.
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I'm not sure what your drive and/or the roads are like there in Turkey - but I found the N55 to be a better engine around town (stop and go) than the S55 which wants to go fast. I guess the best way to put that is the N55 felt faster to say 50 kph and then S55 felt faster after that.

But seriously, for almost 50% more, this should not even be a question - get the 2018.
The throttle mapping and power delivery characteristics are definitely more street friendly on the N engines. The S54, S65, S85, etc. really need a heavy foot and to be driven hard to be fast on the street. They tried to put some of that "motorsport" character in the S55 for sure.
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