[jtfields]

I was just at my dealer this morning. They had six different M cars (no M2) on the showroom floor. All had MPSS except a M240 which had Pirellis. My M2...came with Contis.

[F87_LCI]

All season tires are for minivans. This is an M2 were talking about.
Rear wheel drive performance car...remember?
I'm in Canada. That said, where I am we get less snow than say Buffalo, Montana, Dakotas. I use winter tires on my F30 and it is xdrive. If you're going to drive the car in the winter then you shouldn't use summer tires. I'm not saying you can't...I'm saying you shouldn't. Even the "best driver" can hit a patch of black ice in the winter and summer tires are not going to handle it well. You have a better chance with winters. So for the sake of $1K, your $60K car will be in the ditch, or guardrail, or worse. One way to look at winter tires is as another form of insurance...most days you don't need it, but when you do, it's nice that it's there. Why would you have all seasons in the summer? This is when you put performance tires on the car and DRIVE IT! So as someone up there ^^ said...if you're going to have two sets of tires why get summers and all seasons...doesn't make any sense.

If you live in Florida or the south of Spain, then I guess your good with just summer tires. and I hate you. Well maybe not the guys in Florida. Because it's Florida.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by gmzanatta

I disagree on the snow thing based on experience. All-season's will not handle well with the M2 - maybe on the X1 is ok especially if it's the new FWD ones, but the M2 has such a stupid amount of low end torque going only to the rear wheels that you will not be able to keep traction with all-seasons on even an inch of snow.

i have an E82 X1 RWD that is built on the same platform as my E82 1M.

Both are on 19" wheels and tires as i have an X 1 M sport and the tire width is 255/35/19 at the rear.... a mere 10 mm narrower than the M2..

Agree on your comments about torque but you are selling the AS3+ bit with regards to compound. It does handle snow, even with torque. hz101 is in the D.C. area.. I have lived there and in Indiana which both are moderate climates where snowfall can at times be heavy.. but often there are months where there is mostly rain and cold.

I generally agree with your comments on tires however.. keep in mind... a recommendation for a person that is in NB.. or. the Upper peninisula in Michigan or Montana.. should still be tailored differently than to someone that is in the Midwest of the USA..

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by gmzanatta

Very much looking forward to how the P4Ss will compare to MPSS.

Having experienced the difference on my 1M from the 5 year old designed Michelin Pilot sport to the MPSS In 2012ish..

The Pilot sport was the *schiznit* at the time .. just like the MPSS is today. The MPSS gave much better rear end grip to the 1M and the MPSS dealt better with track usage and mid to high temps ( up to 80s and low 90s).

I expect that the P4S will clearly be demonstrably better than the MPSS such that in just the same fashion .. you won't ever go back.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by gmzanatta

Very much looking forward to how the P4Ss will compare to MPSS.

Having experienced the difference on my 1M from the 5 year old designed Michelin Pilot sport to the MPSS In 2012ish... I expect that the P4S will clearly be demonstrably better than the MPSS such that you won't ever go back.

[gmzanatta]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

i have an E82 X1 RWD that is built on the same platform as my E82 1M.

Both are on 19" wheels and tires as i have an X 1 M sport and the tire width is 255/35/19 at the rear.... a mere 10 mm narrower than the M2..

Agree on your comments about torque but you are selling the AS3+ bit with regards to compound. It does handle snow, even with torque. hz101 is in the D.C. area.. I have lived there and in Indiana which both are moderate climates where snowfall can at times be heavy.. but often there are months where there is mostly rain and cold.

I generally agree with your comments on tires however.. keep in mind... a recommendation for a person that is in NB.. or. the Upper peninisula in Michigan or Montana.. should still be tailored differently than to someone that is in the Midwest of the USA..

Fair enough - NB is a bit of home central for the snowpocalypse, and I tend to be more cautious based on too many close calls and idiots using the wrong tires getting stuck on our hills.

I thought the member who posted was from Baltimore - I don't know what their snow situation is like, but I figured they'd get enough to justify snow tires.

As for the AS3s, my opinion is based on the experience I had with the tires, so I'm selling them only as short as they treated me haha. In general they did not inspire confidence and put me in a tough spot or two, so I honestly can't recommend them vs getting something like the Alpin4.

[MineralGreyMetallic]

Wait a minute... I'm a bit of a tire noob.

Is the Conti an all-season tire?

[calbears]

Originally Posted by jam3v

Wait a minute... I'm a bit of a tire noob.

Is the Conti an all-season tire?

No. Summer tire, just like the MPSS

[mssVT98]

Originally Posted by calbears

I was browsing getbmwparts and noticed they have a set of winter tires/wheels available for the M2 (believe they're 18"s) that come with the Michelin Alpin for something like $2300

I didn't get that combo but I did get a second set of wheels (Apex EC-7) with the Alpin 4s, and they were great for the winter. I'm in DC and as OP is aware it was a really mild winter with basically zero snow. Even with that I was really glad I spent the money for the winters... it was good knowing I had traction when it was below freezing in the mornings. I also won't be driving the M2 if there's snow on the ground - not because it's not capable but because of all the idiot drivers around here and the fact that they salt the shit out of the roads - but the piece of mind knowing I'm set up correctly is worth the expense.

I bought this car because of its performance, so I personally don't want to sacrifice that in any realistic conditions, including by using all-seasons. I feel like I'm doing my part to improve the overall pool of responsible motorists by using the right equipment for the situation.

Also, you might think now is the right time to look for snow tires as they go out of season (like buying a snowblower), but I don't think that's actually the case. You'll have a better tire selection in fall/early winter, and Apex actually ran a group buy on their wheels mounted with Alpins in the October time frame IIRC. I'd hold off and look for something like that when the time comes.

[calbears]

Originally Posted by gmzanatta

I thought the member who posted was from Baltimore - I don't know what their snow situation is like, but I figured they'd get enough to justify snow tires.

Varies by year. I'm in the DC area and we'll usually get some snow. I think the max we had this season was about 3 inches with one storm. There was a dusting earlier. Year before, we had the blizzard and super cold temps.

I'm like you, so I invested in a dedicated winter set just for the piece of mind. I think you could get by with all seasons, but I'd rather be safer.

[MineralGreyMetallic]

Wait a minute... I'm a bit of a tire noob.

Is the Conti an all-season tire?

[TheBatM2]

My car is being delivered today, and it came with the MPSS. Week 7 build ...

[gmzanatta]

Originally Posted by mssVT98

Also, you might think now is the right time to look for snow tires as they go out of season (like buying a snowblower), but I don't think that's actually the case.

Yep that's right. Best time to buy winter tires is August. That's when the sales go on because summer is winding down but people aren't freaking out to buy them because snow is coming. It's one of the slowest - if not the slowest - month for tire sales.

[RAM_F30_F87]

My M2 is only used around town in nice weather and never tracked so the Contis I received are fine as the initial set for my use.
I've never had the Michelins so I can't make a comparison.
Unless you track the car and/or are made of money, I'd say wear out the Contis (it won't be hard since the M2 is a beast) if you get them and then check the reviews on http://www.tirerack.com to make a suitable choice (current types shown below) for your needs.

• Streetable Track & Competition
• Extreme Performance Summer
• Max Performance Summer
• Ultra High Performance All-Season

[bdogk]

Sorry folks, can we stay on topic? I just wanted to know what tires came on recent M2's delivered. Not a debate between summer vs all-seasons tires.

[gmzanatta]

Originally Posted by hjk

Sorry folks, can we stay on topic? I just wanted to know what tires came on recent M2's delivered. Not a debate between summer vs all-seasons tires.

In that case just check my thread here, it's been going for a very long time and there are several posts per day on what tire, delivery date, etc. Lots of good info there:

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1310814

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by hjk

Sorry folks, can we stay on topic? I just wanted to know what tires came on recent M2's delivered. Not a debate between summer vs all-seasons tires.

It is completely random. Has nothing to do with the week or day your car is produced. Seems to be about 50/50 these days. And let me say it again IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DAY OR WEEK OR TIME OF DAY YOUR CAR IS PRODUCED.

sorry. Just a little sick or the "week 7 mpss" and "week 7 conti " posts.

[GiacomoH]

Originally Posted by Ramond

Hello everyone,,
Tad overkill don't you think especially if you get the mpss. There are far and few between those who will exact such a performance standard from their tires in slalom or on the track where they will require the new version of these tires the 4s. While the MPSS design is 6 years old they have been tweaked slightly throughout the life cycle and the rubber received is fresh. Use em, burn em, then replace them I would say. 99% are kidding themselves if they think they need better.

Bullshit.
Go drive a 316d or Camry if you don't drive your M2 in a capacity that benefits from PSS tires.
On a related note, I recently put S007As on my car. At this point they feel somewhere in between a PSS and RE71R. Stiff sidewalls. We'll see how they do on track.

[JustChris]

MOSS a better tyre for sure so why not expect and hope for that?....in 2017 too

[mr_lab_rat]

Originally Posted by Ramond

Hello everyone,,
Tad overkill don't you think especially if you get the mpss. There are far and few between those who will exact such a performance standard from their tires in slalom or on the track where they will require the new version of these tires the 4s. While the MPSS design is 6 years old they have been tweaked slightly throughout the life cycle and the rubber received is fresh. Use em, burn em, then replace them I would say. 99% are kidding themselves if they think they need better.

So you just joined. This is your first post. Why would you pick a 3 year old thread to try to make questionable point?