[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by Al1969

We speak same language here 👍👍👍
This car was Audi most genius time...impressive video thanks

Sorry adding a video turning this thread into quattro demonstration... but let's face it we all dream to slide our M2´s that way ...

I owned one like this. At the time it was glorious!

[Al1969]

Love this thread!!!
I am bit surprised any of our American friends raised similar historical background for Camaro... it has a pretty nice one👍

[cptobvious]

Originally Posted by jordantii

I was hot on the trail of the TTRS when it was released. Loved the interior, motor, magnetic shocks etc. Then I had a long conversation with Randy Pobst about what car I should buy next. I asked about the TTRS (he tested one for Motor Trend) and he flat out said "don't do it". It does not turn or brake. He was so disappointed in that car. Sure he loved the motor and the straight line speed. But everything else left a lot to be desired. So if you just want to mash the gas get an RS3/TTRS if you want to turn and brake look for something else.

I asked him what is the perfomance car bargain of the century? Without hesitation, SS 1LE. He has not driven the M2C yet. I am not a Camaro guy and neither is he. But he said the Alpha platform from GM is something special.

You hang out with Randy Pobst? Are you Jason Cammisa? I love your work, man! When you coming back to Motor Trend?

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by Casotakar

camero for speed, rs3 for people pleasing, m2c for real driving...

Actually if you want to separate the three to their strengths it's as follows;

Straight line speed: RS3
Ultimate track performance: Camaro
Fun on the street and capable on the track: M2C

In the real world the M2C is probably the best car for most people unless you absolutely need AWD.

[cptobvious]

Originally Posted by TiAg_E46_M3

If I may, I'd like to chime in and give my 2 cents being a RS 3 owner who struggled deciding between the RS 3 and M2.

Everything everyone talks about the RS 3 being dull and muted is true. There is a lack of steering feel and there is definitely understeer. But surprisingly when you let off the throttle, the car quickly becomes neutral.

I was fortunate enough to test drive both cars when I made my decision. The M2 pulled at my heartstrings and if it wasn't for the fact that I had an E46 M3 in the garage I would've bought the M2. But I needed a more practical car and ergo the RS 3.

Now after having sold the M3, I regret buying the RS 3. Especially since the M2 Comp came out. I'm really tempted to sell the RS 3 and buy the M2 Comp.

So at the end of the day it really does come down to your heart vs your head. If you want a driver's car that you can engage the clutch and row your own gears and feel the road, then go with the M2 Comp. If you want an everyday car that's understated but really fast in a straight line with a glorious 5 cyl engine, then go with the RS 3.

Wow. I think I know what everyone is talking about now. I went into an Audi dealership today just to test drive some cars to goof off.

The closest to something like the M2C that I drove were the S3 and S4. They had 1 RS3, but it was in the showroom and not available for test drives.

Cars were fast, BEAUTIFUL interiors, virtual cockpit is AWESOME, but now I understand what you all are saying about Audi's just not being exciting. I would WOT from a standing start and reach 90 mph, and the acceleration was incredibly impressive, but... it didn't feel at all like I was going fast at all. Totally confidence inspiring. But, didn't at all feel like I was driving any kind of fun performance car.

I don't know. Somehow it all just felt too buttoned down, too grown up.

Maybe it's totally not fair to develop that impression based on driving the S3 and S4. Maybe the RS3 is different? But otherwise, I'd say Audi's are for mature responsible adults. And I got the M2C to recapture my inner 10 year-old!

[Chasing Dreams]

cptobvious and I read in another thread that you get 3 days of rain per annum... I was just driving home in the pitch dark, rain and leaves on the surface, small country road with poor concrete and 5°C outside. Doing WOT with the M2(C) gets you into whole other dimension of exciting

[cptobvious]

Originally Posted by Chasing Dreams

cptobvious and I read in another thread that you get 3 days of rain per annum... I was just driving home in the pitch dark, rain and leaves on the surface, small country road with poor concrete and 5°C outside. Doing WOT with the M2(C) gets you into whole other dimension of exciting

You what they say: There's a fine line between bravery and foolhardiness!

I've never even turned any of the nannies off! Waiting till after I get some performance driving courses under my belt before I try anything too exciting. I'm positive if I tried to pull what some of you more experienced drivers on here pull all the time, someone would be posting pics of my total loss on here.

And then queue all the jokes:

"Dude, that'll totally buff right out"

"Dibs on the seats and mirrors"

"That tree must have jumped right out and cut him off"

[Chasing Dreams]

Originally Posted by cptobvious

You what they say: There's a fine line between bravery and foolhardiness!

I've never even turned any of the nannies off! Waiting till after I get some performance driving courses under my belt before I try anything too exciting. I'm positive if I tried to pull what some of you more experienced drivers on here pull all the time, someone would be posting pics of my total loss on here.

And then queue all the jokes:

"Dude, that'll totally buff right out"

"Dibs on the seats and mirrors"

"That tree must have jumped right out and cut him off"

To be fair I was in Sport+ but couldn't really feel it was 'saving my ass' with all the wheelspin it was producing. It's scary but exhilerating at the same time.

[Big boi m5]

Originally Posted by wjones14

I'm not going to say the Camaro has great visibility - it doesn't - but to be honest, the lack of visibility is the LAST thing on your mind when you're driving it. The visibility rears its ugly head in parking lots navigating around curbs and the like, and while backing up (you rely on the rear camera and the auto-tilting passenger side mirror). When looking out the windshield in normal driving, however, there is absolutely NO problem with the visibility.

Agree, I had one as a loaner for a week. The visibility is perfectly fine for driving, you lose a lot of sky and asphalt but it's not essential for driving. Annoying for parking, but indirect vision is all there.

It's a good car, and a reverse engineered e46 copy.

[TRZ06]

Originally Posted by SleepingBMW

Agree, I had one as a loaner for a week. The visibility is perfectly fine for driving, you lose a lot of sky and asphalt but it's not essential for driving. Annoying for parking, but indirect vision is all there.

It's a good car, and a reverse engineered e46 copy.

Except with much higher limits. 1.1g stock is what GM quotes.

It's actually closer to 1.2g with fresh/new tires and the track alignment settings, after 5k miles on my tires though, it's more of 1.1g.

I am loving mine so far.

[Aim.F32]

Originally Posted by cptobvious

You what they say: There's a fine line between bravery and foolhardiness!

I've never even turned any of the nannies off! Waiting till after I get some performance driving courses under my belt before I try anything too exciting. I'm positive if I tried to pull what some of you more experienced drivers on here pull all the time, someone would be posting pics of my total loss on here.

And then queue all the jokes:

"Dude, that'll totally buff right out"

"Dibs on the seats and mirrors"

"That tree must have jumped right out and cut him off"

This is one of my fear as well I'm just going to take it easy until I'm comfortable with the power and brakes, and not push it (even though I know it will be tempting)

[Brake_Late]

ABC...

Audi = fast like a jackrabbit. But then... afterall and ultimately - it IS a VW.
The people's car.

BMW = The Ultimate Driving Machine.

Camaro = Rental car feel and interior. Build quality junk. Low visibility bad blind spots. Good for Hawaii 5 -0 and movies.


The rest is up to choice of
tool / weapon, ( subjective )
tires
and talent.

[TRZ06]

Originally Posted by Brake_Late

Camaro = Rental car feel and interior. Build quality junk. Low visibility bad blind spots. Good for Hawaii 5 -0 and movies.

Audi = fast like a jackrabbit. But then... afterall and ultimately - it IS a VW.
The people's car.

BMW = The Ultimate Driving Machine.

The rest is up to choice of tool / weapon, ( subjective )
tires and talent.

LOL

BMW hasn't been "The Ultimate Driving Machine" in quite some time.

You are either a BMW fanboy or you have not experienced other brand's performance cars over anything other than a quick test drive.

BMW rested on their lorals and fell behind in driving dynamics years ago now.

Most MFGs have caught up and surpassed BMW when it comes to chassis, suspension tuning, and intuitive traction/stability control systems.

[Brake_Late]

Lol wow that's assuming quite a lot.
But ok, sure !

BMW fanboy ? No offense taken.
Yeah maybe... and for very good reason.

Last time I checked this particular forum has the title Bimmer in it
hence the liking of BMWs.

Perhaps you simply haven't met the right drivers in battle. Yet

It's still called the Ultimate Driving Machine for an earned reason or three. Ultimate includes a lot more than just a trap speed. it's a well rounded thing as in all around combined elements forming one amazing machine - of course in the right hands makes a huge difference.

But that's what makes free choice so great. No sense in arguing

[Calvin36]

Originally Posted by synergist

Based solely on merits, the M2c is the clear choice here imo. The line about it being a combo of the RS3 and Camaro seems pretty accurate. Can't beat the camaro in terms of price for performance though. Tragedy there's no manual or hatch for the RS3, otherwise I would totally own one because that 5 cyl is glorious. Wish they threw that engine in the cayman rather than the 4 pot.

Absolutely correct on all points.

[burnsniper]

Recently had a 2019 SS as a rental car. Overall an excellent car with tremendous power. Also, and the interior puts many BMWs to shame (more leather in more places plus a better simulated plastic leather in other areas). Big minuses are the blind spots, heavy steering, and the paint was wrecked after only 1200 miles of rental car duties (mainly from washing). Also, the size of the trunk was a joke.

[Saphirschwarz]

If i ever hear a reviewer say "how good is that sound" obviously about the ASD, i dont even keep watchin'... Noobs...

[yaymitch]

Originally Posted by Stage IV

Tell us how you're received by the salesperson when asking for a test drive in an uber-exclusive/holier-than-thou RS model

Not sure what Audi dealer you're working with...I walked in and 5 minutes later was driving an RS3.

[Poochie]

I am self-proclaim BMW fanboy.

Here's a question, why do some people find the need to constantly keep mentioning the Camaro on a BMW forum?

I don't care if Chevy and Audi are makes flying cars, this is not the place..

#WasteOfBandwidth

[yaymitch]

Originally Posted by TRZ06

LOL

BMW hasn't been "The Ultimate Driving Machine" in quite some time.

You are either a BMW fanboy or you have not experienced other brand's performance cars over anything other than a quick test drive.

BMW rested on their lorals and fell behind in driving dynamics years ago now.

Most MFGs have caught up and surpassed BMW when it comes to chassis, suspension tuning, and intuitive traction/stability control systems.

This is why I've strayed to Mercedes, Cadillac and Audi. Still own 2018 M3 but also have '18 RS3. Back in the days of the E36 and E46 there was no comparison for the money thus 'Ultimate Driving Machine'. Not so much anymore... now it's all about personal preference... Alfa, Audi, Cadillac and Merc all have their pluses. BMW has its work cut out to take the undisputed throne again.

[Brake_Late]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I am self-proclaim BMW fanboy.

He's a question, why do some people find the need to constantly keep mentioning the Camero on a BMW forum?

I don't care if Chevy and Audi are makes flying cars, this is not the place..

#WasteOfBandwidth

[yaymitch]

Originally Posted by mikeric

Don't forget all of the brake issues that people who are trying to track them or even drive aggressively on the street are running in to.

This is only with the ceramic brakes which they no longer offer.