[Craig335d]

Originally Posted by chris719

Nope, might be in the market for either used M2 or M2C though.

Sounds like you’ve perhaps made your mind up which of those to go for if you do.
Either way a good / great car.

[csbear]

Originally Posted by chris719

I would be all over the Camaro but I just don't think I can get over the packaging and feel. The Camaro and Mustang feel really large, with high beltlines. I haven't driven the latest generation so maybe it's a bit better. The thing I liked most about my Z4M was the size.

Yes, the size of the Camaro and Mustang is what scares people, especially those coming from a Z4M, Boxster, Cayman, etc. I had a 2000 M Roadster before my GT4, so I love smaller cars. I did recently drive a 2018 ZL1 and it really handles it weight very well. It is a monster of a car, and it shocked me. Also, the road presence is pure, high-end muscle car, which demands a lot of respect from all drivers. I drove a Nightfall Gray Metallic one and it turned a lot of heads. Surprising since the Las Vegas area is full of Ferraris, Lambos, and Porsches.

GM and Ford are doing more to distance themselves from their former drag car roots... the new Shelby and ZL1 can handle with aplomb. Of course, the high HP of the ZL1 powers it away from corners, and that's where it builds it momentum on the track. Compared to a Cayman which is just a beautifully done, light chassis, which is its calling card.

There is obviously a deep-rooted love for American muscle cars here, and car enthusiasts gawk over the ZL1 and GT350. IMO, the 718 S has no where near the road presence of a ZL1 or Shelby GT350R. And that is part of the charm of owning one I believe. (BTW, the front of the 718 is terrible. I don't care what anyone has to say. It is so unbelievably corporate and soulless . The 981 had a much better front fascia with its angled air intakes.)

- If the previous generation ZL1 and Shelbys were sledgehammers
- Then the current ZL1 and Shelbys are katanas.
- And the 718 S would be the high precision, scalpel knife


Regardless, we live in good times as sport car enthusiasts. A lot of great choices. Funny, with the advent of electric cars and Tesla, we are living in a golden age for performance ICE cars.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by Craig335d

Sounds like you’ve perhaps made your mind up which of those to go for if you do.
Either way a good / great car.

I definitely would take the M2C if price were equal . Don't let my negativity confuse you .

[termigni]

while this thread is slowly turning into M2 vs. M2C yet again,

does the reviewer decide which is better as per the title? M2C or 718?

[Davil]

Originally Posted by termigni

while this thread is slowly turning into M2 vs. M2C yet again,

does the reviewer decide which is better as per the title? M2C or 718?

Perhaps you should watch it. I won’t spoil the suspense.

[termigni]

Originally Posted by Davil

Perhaps you should watch it. I won’t spoil the suspense.

pls spoil the fun for me. I was watching it and ended it early. as many here noticed the reviewer seemed very off in this video unlike his other videos.

[mikeric]

I was tempted by the new Carrera T as you do get a back seat. Hard to justify though for the cost of 2 M2Cs.

[crazyzxf]

Originally Posted by mikeric

I was tempted by the new Carrera T as you do get a back seat. Hard to justify though for the cost of 2 M2Cs.

I had a Cayman R and 991.1 C2S for about 4 years before I switched to the M2C.
I honest think the Cayman R was the best of the lot for pure driving pleasure, the others are not even close, the damper, steering and suspension were just amazing!
911 was a compromise because I need the back seat for two children, but it didn't work with a new born.
Now, I am driving a M2 with a big smile on my face, waiting for my M2C to arrive in 3wks time.

All in all, all of those cars mentions are much better cars than I am as a driver. M2C just offers a bit more practicality than the others.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by mikeric

I was tempted by the new Carrera T as you do get a back seat. Hard to justify though for the cost of 2 M2Cs.

If going Carrera T, the carbon buckets and rear seat delete would by high on options list. But nearly twice the cost of manual M2C.

[Trapperj]

I have a GT4. So far only have 500 miles on my M2C. The two cars are different as night and day driven back to back. The GT4 has a huge advantage when the speeds rise because of its lower weight. There’s no way around that. Driven @ 7/10s, the M2C will likely feel better to many. It’s when you ask the last few 10/s from the car that the mighty P car begains to shine. On the street, it takes the right set of circumstances to explore this and keep out of jail.

I’m going to enjoy the DCT in the M2C. Shortly after taking delivery of the GT4, I suffered a badly broken right wrist. Cycle crash. Wrist still aches after 20 minutes of track time. Need another surgery I reckon. I think I’ll make good friends with the M2C. I like it a lot so far but I love the GT4.

[untzklee]

I liked the video. It was great review! Makes me want one =(

[BMW M Power Mexico]

I can't see the point of people above bringing up their GT4s here other than humble-bragging. It's in a totally different price bracket and a much less practical, track focused Porsche GT car.

What I guess is relevant is that the M2C has the BASE 718 completely licked. That's what it competes with price-wise.

[Die ///M Rakete]

Originally Posted by BMW M Power Mexico

I can't see the point of people above bringing up their GT4s here other than humble-bragging. It's in a totally different price bracket and a much less practical, track focused Porsche GT car.

What I guess is relevant is that the M2C has the BASE 718 completely licked. That's what it competes with price-wise.

Exactamente

[SUB-ZERO]

I have to be real. I like be BMWs....I'm on my 22nd. I've had several M3s/M4s in addition to my OG M2 and now the M2C. I think BMWs are pretty great cars. Im also a Porsche fan and have had a Turbo (997), C4S (991), GTS (991), and now an amazing 991.2 6MT GT3.

Having said that......I've never driven the new 718, but I have driven several previous generation Boxsters and Caymans. I find it hard to believe that the M2C is better than a 718. Yes, the 718 sounds like shit but so does the M2C. There is no way on this earth that the M2C is even close....I'll put money on it. If the reviewer would of driven the M2C and 718 back to back, I feel like his opinion would of been different.

The M2C is a great car, but compared to a Cayman, Cockster, or 911, it's a heavy and overall compromised car. I love the M2 but it isn't a Porsche fellas...trust me. Anyone who has driven or owned a Porsche will probably agree. However, for the money, the M2C is hell of a car.

[Powaup]

But is it better than a RS3

[crazyzxf]

Originally Posted by SUB-ZERO

I have to be real. I like be BMWs....I'm on my 22nd. I've had several M3s/M4s in addition to my OG M2 and now the M2C. I think BMWs are pretty great cars. Im also a Porsche fan and have had a Turbo (997), C4S (991), GTS (991), and now an amazing 991.2 6MT GT3.

Having said that......I've never driven the new 718, but I have driven several previous generation Boxsters and Caymans. I find it hard to believe that the M2C is better than a 718. Yes, the 718 sounds like shit but so does the M2C. There is no way on this earth that the M2C is even close....I'll put money on it. If the reviewer would of driven the M2C and 718 back to back, I feel like his opinion would of been different.

The M2C is a great car, but compared to a Cayman, Cockster, or 911, it's a heavy and overall compromised car. I love the M2 but it isn't a Porsche fellas...trust me. Anyone who has driven or owned a Porsche will probably agree. However, for the money, the M2C is hell of a car.

6-7yrs ago, many journalists compared the Cayman R with the 1M, I still (sometimes) see them on YouTube. I know, I know. I saved them on my YouTube account.

Those were great reviews, which resulted me buying the Cayman R and owning it for 3 yrs. I will love to see a back to back comparison between the M2C and 718GTS or even something more exotic by someone with genuine knowledge and unbiased opinion.

[adc]

Originally Posted by SUB-ZERO

I have to be real. I like be BMWs....I'm on my 22nd. I've had several M3s/M4s in addition to my OG M2 and now the M2C. I think BMWs are pretty great cars. Im also a Porsche fan and have had a Turbo (997), C4S (991), GTS (991), and now an amazing 991.2 6MT GT3.

Having said that......I've never driven the new 718, but I have driven several previous generation Boxsters and Caymans. I find it hard to believe that the M2C is better than a 718. Yes, the 718 sounds like shit but so does the M2C. There is no way on this earth that the M2C is even close....I'll put money on it. If the reviewer would of driven the M2C and 718 back to back, I feel like his opinion would of been different.

The M2C is a great car, but compared to a Cayman, Cockster, or 911, it's a heavy and overall compromised car. I love the M2 but it isn't a Porsche fellas...trust me. Anyone who has driven or owned a Porsche will probably agree. However, for the money, the M2C is hell of a car.

I think the M2 will be more playful in daily driving conditions, like a very strong puppy on a sugar rush, whereas many Porsche’s feel like “very serious machines”, all grip and steely determination. It is extremely hard to unstick any modern Porsche on normal roads, where the margin of error is small and other drivers generally not amused by your antics.

On track? Confidence and skill count for far more than vehicle capabilities.

[PLF69]

We drove 3hr to Mont-Tremblant track, 3 guys, 3 bags, 3 helmets and a 12x12 foldable tent/cover in full comfort in the M235i I had before my M2.

No chance in the Boxter/Cayman and probably no comfort in the 911.

I then proceded to beat the shit out of the M235i at the track and we came back the same way another 3hr with a stop for diner.

For the price the M2/M2c is a hell of package !!

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by adc

I think the M2 will be more playful in daily driving conditions, like a very strong puppy on a sugar rush, whereas many Porsche’s feel like “very serious machines”, all grip and steely determination. It is extremely hard to unstick any modern Porsche on normal roads, where the margin of error is small and other drivers generally not amused by your antics.

On track? Confidence and skill count for far more than vehicle capabilities.

Spot on...I have seen an M4 overtaken GT3s and chasing a McLaren 675LT on track. Mind you those GT3 drivers and the Mac driver are not exactly novices.

I have driven the GT4 I would actually say it is easier to drive fast when compared to my 1M because it is lighter, more planted and the MR layout allows it to change direction swifter but at anything above 7/10th it takes a lot more skills to extract the last 3/10th out of the car than the FR layout of the 1M due to the midship handling characteristics. The GT4 is also kind of boring in everyday driving because of its long gearing, lack of tire screeching torque and doesn't feel anywhere near as playful as the 1M.

As such I won't be surprised if the M2C which itself is much more capable than the 1M will dethrone the 718 (which is not better than a GT4) and set a new benchmark in the affordable sports car segment. Once you throw in practicality and bang for bucks the M2C is very hard to beat.

[cptobvious]

Originally Posted by tskeen

I have a GT4. So far only have 500 miles on my M2C. The two cars are different as night and day driven back to back. The GT4 has a huge advantage when the speeds rise because of its lower weight. There’s no way around that. Driven @ 7/10s, the M2C will likely feel better to many. It’s when you ask the last few 10/s from the car that the mighty P car begains to shine. On the street, it takes the right set of circumstances to explore this and keep out of jail.

I’m going to enjoy the DCT in the M2C. Shortly after taking delivery of the GT4, I suffered a badly broken right wrist. Cycle crash. Wrist still aches after 20 minutes of track time. Need another surgery I reckon. I think I’ll make good friends with the M2C. I like it a lot so far but I love the GT4.

Damn, sorry to hear about the injury. This is precisely why my wife has forbade me from getting on anything with 2 wheels anymore - wants me fully functional to help with the 5 and the 2 year-old. I hope your wrist heals fast, man.

So, serious question, no trolling: Why is everyone comparing the M2C to the GT4? I mean, the GT4 wins hands down, no question, right? I effing LOVE my M2C, but if you put a GT4 and an M2C in front of me, I'd take the GT4 in a heartbeat. Mid-engine, true sports car, hailed as perhaps "the perfect" chassis, legendary Porsche engineering, etc., etc. But, unfortunately, no one has yet to actually walk up to me and say, "Hey dude, you can have either one of these cars. Here are the keys. Your will be done. Oh, and here's some caviar, sir." In the real world, cars cost money. Autotrader has a '16 GT4 for sale 16.4 miles away from me for $119,995. So, in reality, the choice is "M2C and send kids to college one day, or used GT4."

If we're comparing apples to apples, in terms of price, then the choice would be between the M2C and a base 718 Cayman, right? I did that cross shopping. I actually went on the USAA configurator, and for the same price as the M2C was able to spec a 718 in chalk, with Apple Car Play and Sport Chrono Package... and that's it. Like, literally, I couldn't even get the "center console lid with Porsche crest" (which sounds super dope), because that would have put me $340 over budget!

Given that choice, I chose the M2C, hands down, no question. Not to mention the fact that when I told my wife I was looking at the Cayman, she didn't exactly thrill to the idea of me shucking off any and all responsibilities to my children ("Sorry, kids, I can't take you to school. My car only has two seats...") and driving off into the sunset in blissful solitude in my pure 2-seater sports car, revving my engine and enjoying my sweet, sweet ride, as she got stuck with 100% of childcare duty, lugging the kids around in her wheezing, practical 4-seat Jetta to swim lessons, play dates, school, trips to the grandparents house... her in charge of the kids 100% of the time, while I play all day and enjoy my life...

Oh god... I really effed up... I should have gotten the goddam Cayman!

[Trapperj]

Well in my defense..the title to the thread was comparing the M2C with the 718. The new 718 GT4 is just about a year away. I’m not certain I agree that the M2C is hands down better than the base 718. My answer would be “it depends.” If it’s only going to be used as a track car, the Porsche is ready to go. Maybe not as fast on some tracks. Likely faster on some.
With the new GT4 likely having a slightly detuned 4.0 from the GT3 the price delta will grow even more. Now the jury is still out on what that’ll do the the 981 GT4 prices. If the fall by a big margin, then used ones might be bought for close to msrp of a M2C. We can all disagree on some of these details. But we do live in a golden time for high performance cars. All this is just my thoughts comparing the two platforms. My thinking was GT4 = best Cayman. M2C = best 2 series.... this too may change with a more track focused M2 in the near future?

[cptobvious]

Originally Posted by tskeen

Well in my defense..the title to the thread was comparing the M2C with the 718. The new 718 GT4 is just about a year away. I’m not certain I agree that the M2C is hands down better than the base 718. My answer would be “it depends.” If it’s only going to be used as a track car, the Porsche is ready to go. Maybe not as fast on some tracks. Likely faster on some.
With the new GT4 likely having a slightly detuned 4.0 from the GT3 the price delta will grow even more. Now the jury is still out on what that’ll do the the 981 GT4 prices. If the fall by a big margin, then used ones might be bought for close to msrp of a M2C. We can all disagree on some of these details. But we do live in a golden time for high performance cars. All this is just my thoughts comparing the two platforms. My thinking was GT4 = best Cayman. M2C = best 2 series.... this too may change with a more track focused M2 in the near future?

Oh, no, no, didn't mean to come across as accusatory at all. Sorry, if I did. Come across as jealous? Yes, definitely, definitely very jealous.

I think you're spot on, with your point that "it depends." Sorry, if it came across as though I thought the M2C was a better car than the 718. Not at all. I just meant that I, personally, chose the M2C hands down because it's a 4-seater and I need it as a daily driver, I gotta lug the double-wide stroller in the trunk, along with the floaties and all the swim clothes and towels, along with the diaper bag... It's only on weekends that I get to go up in the mountains in my car and search for my lost manhood.

I've never done track, but have heard that Porsche's are simply incomparable on the track. So, again... very jealous.