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10-12-2017, 09:04 AM | #441 | |
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On the clunk, 3rd to 2nd is where this can happen most frequently. Most here, myself included, have found that the quicker you commit to the shift and let the clutch out the better. Don't dilly dally around and let it out slow or you will get the clunk. Be fast and deliberate. Please try this and see if that helps. |
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Beware: in DSC OFF mode you got no safety net anymore - you're left to your own devices ! Don't do it if you feel uncomfortable about the risks (especially oversteer).
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On your above list, #3 is the only one that I can relate to, however there are a whole raft of reasons that made it the obvious choice for me ... and I offer them here as I think others who have chosen the manual may not be appreciate:
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My wife dislikes automatic gearboxes. Back in the 90s she drove an automatic during her studies in the US and was happy to drive a manual again once she got back to Europe. Still to date for her: three pedals and a stick or bust.
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10-12-2017, 06:00 PM | #445 |
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I recommend that you keep her and count your blessings...which I am sure you already do
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10-12-2017, 06:13 PM | #446 | |
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I'm getting a 6MT and will teach her again to drive manual, and she will love it.
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10-12-2017, 07:15 PM | #447 | |
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I guess it's like golfing. If I started to sink every single putt I faced without fail, why putt? Sure it would be fun initially but after awhile, once I'm on the green, I might as well pick up my ball. So I guess for me, the fun doesn't lie in perfection, but in my attempts to achieve it. Last edited by Aloha Joe; 10-13-2017 at 02:14 AM.. |
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10-12-2017, 09:26 PM | #450 |
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I blame myself.
When we first got married, she was driving manual only. But we had just moved to a new city and learning the roads without a GPS and I convinced her to get an auto. Now I can't wean her off auto. Every new car for her is like pulling teeth.. she wants everything the same so I had to keep that old Golf for 6 years. I even swayed her from the A250 AMG to the 125i M Sport just cos the auto shifter is in the same place and not on the steering column (shivers). That said, I was still damn proud of her when she drove my old Evo 8MR 6MT with a twin plate Exedy clutch that was a bugger to drive - back when I used to drive to Sepang F1 track for track days and was too tired on the drive home. These days I keep the M2 6MT for myself and she gets the 125i M Sport - which I had to drive while waiting for the M2. One of these days I am going to try to transplant bits of my M2 to that 125. |
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10-12-2017, 10:43 PM | #451 |
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Manual M driver for long time. Went DCT on my M2, (picking her up Sunday). I do a lot of track days, will report back in 3 months.
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So I'm moving from an automatic (ZF 6-Speed) in a Jaguar XF to a 6MT M2.
One of the things that I find frustrating in automatics, and I'm not sure if the DCT behaves this way, is the behaviour of the throttle. In preparation for my M2 arriving, I ordered a VGate iCar II OBD Dongle and downloaded the Torque app to my phone, and found something REALLY interesting about the throttle behaviour in my XF. Keep in mind that everything I'm saying here is first hand information for a Jaguar XF throttle response, not a DCT M2, but it does explain a lot of the things that I find frustrating about autos in general, including many DCT autos that I've driven in the past like those from VAG. In summary, the throttle on an automatic is more like a control for acceleration, rather than a throttle for the engine. I'll try to explain this a little better: In order to control acceleration, you have two things you can do:
My car has two driving modes, and these affect throttle response, gearbox behaviour, and traction control. This is pretty easy to feel, but exactly what's happening to the throttle is much more interesting. In 'Normal' mode, the car has a somewhat linear throttle response up to about 30% throttle (pedal position and actual throttle are effectively linked), but beyond 30%, the throttle jumps immediately to 100% and stays there regardless of how much further you press down on the pedal. Now this is not to say that there is no difference between pressing the pedal down any more from 30%, because there is, but this is where the gearbox takes over. Up to about 40% pedal, the current gear is maintained (with 100% throttle as I said before), and then from 40% to about 60% pedal the gearbox drops one gear, and 60% to 80% drops another gear, and then above 80% maybe another gear or no difference at all. In 'Dynamic' mode, the behaviour is effectively the same, but a bit less linear. You get to the 100% throttle by about 20% of pedal travel, drop the first gear by 30% etc. Putting the gearbox in manual mode stops the car changing for you, but the throttle map stays the same. This effectively means that in 'Normal' manual mode, there is no difference between 30% pedal travel and 100% pedal travel; in 'Dynamic' manual mode, there is no difference between 20% and 100% pedal travel. This lack of control over throttle is one of the things that disconnects a driver from the car in an automatic. I'm 99% certain that this behaviour is present in 99% of automatics. When you think about it, this is all very logical actually. Using the throttle position to determine the gear to be in does make a lot of sense, but in my opinion, puts you that one additional layer away from direct control over the car. I suspect this could be remedied by changing the throttle map when you switch to manual mode, but the perception as a driver would be that your car had suddenly got much slower, even if you do have more control. Has anyone looked at the data from Torque about this? Does the DCT M2 behave in a similar way?
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10-14-2017, 12:02 AM | #456 |
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Even so, my wife is still scared to drive the DCT due to its difference in application versus the typical auto tranny and the idea that she might easily engage it in manual mode. I'm exploiting this reasons at the moment.
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10-14-2017, 12:22 AM | #457 | ||
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I do realise that trying to sell enthusiasts on the DCT is a bit like trying to sell ice to eskimo's, but I thought that I'd have a try
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10-14-2017, 08:22 AM | #458 |
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I?ve finally gotten the guts to turn off DSC and gotten to doing rev matching manually with heel toe.
It?s weird that the revs drop quickly - with DSC off. Even faster than on my Fiesta ST. So much more fun. And even in the wet it takes a lot to break traction. |
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10-14-2017, 09:05 AM | #459 | |
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My argument is the manual driver doesn't care how technologically advanced DCT is. The M2 itself is praised for its simplicity over other M cars. If you are all about technology, you bought the wrong M car. Again flat out acceleration is something you get used to no matter what you do. Tune it and it'll seem amazing until it becomes boring. All that ever remains is character. DCT doesn't have any. Those 50% of buyers didn't pick manual because it was superior in terms of performance, they bought it because it isn't. I cringed. Is this why people pick DCT?
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