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      07-13-2018, 03:42 PM   #1
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NAVI Sucks

Used NAVI yesterday for the first time after two years. Spent 15 mins trying to find the display that shows the graphiic along with the directions on the side. (This is most common and other NAVIS).

Apparently this does not exist on the BMW NAVI. In addtion the directions were totally wrong.

Good thing I had my iPhone to help.
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      07-13-2018, 04:09 PM   #2
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nav/entertainment manual is not on the cars drive....you don't get one with the 2018
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I always love when I get customers like this... I don't know how it works therefore it sucks.
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I always love when I get customers like this... I don't know how it works therefore it sucks.
Noice.
Things that are not intuitive do suck.
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      07-16-2018, 09:47 PM   #7
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This is one of the best navs avail. Talk to me about how much the newest Volvo one sucks - it's horrible.
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Things that are not intuitive do suck.
If people complain about BMWs new system especially with the best voice commands in the business I can't imagine how much they'd struggle with literally any other system.
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If people complain about BMWs new system especially with the best voice commands in the business I can't imagine how much they'd struggle with literally any other system.
You should be able to take anyone with average intelligence, put them in the car and be able to find their way around a Nav system without having to consult a manual. Do you agree or disagree?
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You should be able to take anyone with average intelligence, put them in the car and be able to find their way around a Nav system without having to consult a manual. Do you agree or disagree?
Only those who have at least average intelligence.
The BMW system is so incredibly easy and intuitive. if you struggle any remote bit just use voice commands... the VC on Idrive 5.0 and 6.0 and soon to be 7.0 are 2nd to none in the auto industry.
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I always love when I get customers like this... I don't know how it works therefore it sucks.
Noice.
So many of your customers have less than average intelligence? Are you a service advisor?
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      07-18-2018, 08:27 AM   #12
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As usual none you understood the question. It is not intuitive to have to split the screen to have the seconday display.

Furthermore I asked about how to show the values I want on the display. The secondary display only shows the next 'move. I am used to seeing a list of 'next moves'.

So MrOhnoez with 170 posts is suddenly an expert on BMW's. You must be one of those that got some money from mommy and daddy and bought a BMW.

Compared to other NAVIS I have used this one is not intuitive.
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      07-18-2018, 10:40 AM   #13
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I think it's really good actually. It's far better than the Navigation system that was in my MK7 Golf R and light years better than the system in my wife's Subaru Outback. If you think this system is bad you are going to hate 95% of the systems in most cars.
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      07-18-2018, 11:40 AM   #14
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I think it's really good actually. It's far better than the Navigation system that was in my MK7 Golf R and light years better than the system in my wife's Subaru Outback. If you think this system is bad you are going to hate 95% of the systems in most cars.
I don't know about that. We have a Chevy Cruze and a Porsche Macan along with the BMW. Both of those navs are much easier to use than the M2's.
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It took a minute to familiarize myself, but I prefer iDrive 6 to any other system I have used. This car is the only one I haven't felt the absolute need to fire up Waze in. Everyone has their preferences, though. The backup camera and sensors, on the other hand, are an absolute joke: warnings and graphics obscuring the view, the awful gong, not being able to start the car in reverse without said awful gong sounding until you turn the car off again.
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I don't know about that. We have a Chevy Cruze and a Porsche Macan along with the BMW. Both of those navs are much easier to use than the M2's.
And hop into a new panamera and enjoy the new over complication that Porsche will push forward.
Remember the functionality of the Idrive in the 5.0-6.0-7.0 they have ALOT more features than either of those 2 cars have possibly combined.
Feature all those into a infotainment system in a simpler manner.
The only issue I've ever had with the I-drive is the ability to allow me to end navigation from the navigation page, as opposed to having to do it from the map page only, or use voice commands.
I program it as button number 7 to make it easy.
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As usual none you understood the question. It is not intuitive to have to split the screen to have the seconday display.

Furthermore I asked about how to show the values I want on the display. The secondary display only shows the next 'move. I am used to seeing a list of 'next moves'.

So MrOhnoez with 170 posts is suddenly an expert on BMW's. You must be one of those that got some money from mommy and daddy and bought a BMW.

Compared to other NAVIS I have used this one is not intuitive.
I've used several aftermarket nav systems as well as a couple different ones from VW/Audi, and none of them showed a "list of next moves" by default. You could get to that information, but you had to dig around for it. Map + next upcoming turn, sure, but map + list of several turns - not common. By comparison, it's very easy to get it by using the split-screen view and choosing the move list in iDrive. Once you have the list over there, you can tilt the wheel to that side, and easily scroll through the turn list.

Alternatively, just leave the split screen showing something else (I normally keep mine on the remaining fuel range mode). if navigation is active, as you get close to a turn, it "overrides" and shows the "lane guidance" images over there, including representations of highway overhead road signs if the map data contains it for the road you are on. You'll also get the lane guidance overrides in the cluster display, even if you don't have the next-turn option active at the time (I usually switch back to digital speedo, but when a turn is coming up, it overrides and shows the guidance instead).

I think there's another way to get the list of turns in the main section of the iDrive screen as well though, next time I use nav I'll look for it.

I haven't tried asking it to show that list with voice commands, but it might well be able to get you there by voice as well. About 50% of the time that I use the nav, I just invoke it by voice - "navigate to [address]". I'd say 80-90% of the times I use voice, it works as I expect, or at least close enough to not be super frustrating.

Some people find anything beyond Garmin or TomTom GPS systems (which are very basic IMO) to be too complicated. Other people actually want the ability to get more information out of the system, which I think BMW does a fairly good job of. I love the configurability of the system, the split-screen is particularly nice... although I do wish there were a few more options to show in the split screen section.

Where I get irritated with iDrive is the boneheaded volume system...
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The system is not complicated at all. I just want a particular display that I am able to do in just about every other system I have used.
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