[Moflow]

Originally Posted by mchart

The problem for Toyota, however, is that by the time MY2022 comes out with a stick (Hopefully) most of the hype/desire for the car will be gone at that point. Sure, there will still be some sales, but not nearly as much had the manual option been available from the start. I only see the hype for the Supra re-accumulating if they somehow offer the Supra with both a stick, and the S55/S58 powerplant in the mid-400HP range like the M2CS.

Yeah. I probably would've gone Supra if they'd sold it as a stick in the first place, but at this point, i'm not going to trade in my M2 comp and buy a Supra. I'm used to the practicality at this point and I really like my car. Plus, i'd miss the redline.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by mchart

I'm confident that for MY2022 the Supra will offer a manual. Toyota engineers gave all sorts of idiotic excuses, but I think the real reason a manual wasn't offered is because an agreement was made with BMW not to. Now that the M2C/CS is out of production, i'm willing to bet both the Z4 and Supra will be offered with a manual going forward. That's just my hunch. BMW/Toyota would be pretty stupid not to offer a manual in the Z4/Supra moving forward now that a M2 won't be available for the next model year. Otherwise, they will loose even more sales to the American choices w/ stick.

The problem for Toyota, however, is that by the time MY2022 comes out with a stick (Hopefully) most of the hype/desire for the car will be gone at that point. Sure, there will still be some sales, but not nearly as much had the manual option been available from the start. I only see the hype for the Supra re-accumulating if they somehow offer the Supra with both a stick, and the S55/S58 powerplant in the mid-400HP range like the M2CS.

I could see the Supra getting a manual maybe if they give it the S58 engine, the Z4 though I don't think will ever get its stick back, BMW is pretty much done with that car.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

I could see the Supra getting a manual maybe if they give it the S58 engine, the Z4 though I don't think will ever get its stick back, BMW is pretty much done with that car.

Long live Coupes & Convertible

Unfortunately dying breeds

[mchart]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Long live Coupes & Convertible

Unfortunately dying breeds

Auto manufacturers will tell you that you can still get coupes, just buy some hunk of shit like the AMG GLE Coupe. Because a four door lifted CUV thing is apparently a coupe, because marketing calls it a coupe.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by mchart

Auto manufacturers will tell you that you can still get coupes, just buy some hunk of shit like the AMG GLE Coupe. Because a four door lifted CUV thing is apparently a coupe, because marketing calls it a coupe.

Interestingly, I went to register my M2CS yesterday and when asked what body type I replied coupé.

She said "ok then, sedan it is" and went on to explain that because they don't have enough coupés registered so it's easier just to call it a sedan.

Sign of times

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

Interestingly, I went to register my M2CS yesterday and when asked what body type I replied coupé.

She said "ok then, sedan it is" and went on to explain that because they don't have enough coupés registered so it's easier just to call it a sedan.

Sign of times

Sounds like a sign of laziness as well

My Credit Union called my M2 a 2 Series

They're technically right but still I took notice

[annabellapizza]

Camissa is great, god these videos are great. Give this man a raise

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Sounds like a sign of laziness as well

My Credit Union called my M2 a 2 Series

They're technically right but still I took notice

Too true my friend

[GerryM5]

The M2CS is The best Sports Coupe this year it is not a sports car. My categories are, Sports Cars, Sport Coupes, Grand Touring Coupes. Muscle Car Coupes, Coupes, Mini Coupes.. Some might pick a Shelby GT500 as the best Sports Coupe, but i think it's a damn good tweaked muscle car.

[clee1982]

Awesome video

[adc]

Some folks were comparing the Supra MK4 with the E36 M3, I can tell you the E36 drove a lot better than the Supra due to having 300-400lbs less weight. At the track, you almost never saw a Supra but it was chock-full of M3’s, always has been. You can argue build quality, potential for tuning and so on but IMO it wasn't more fun to drive.

With the MK5 Supra, what I hear is that it is snappy at the limit, meaning not smooth or predictable. At various events at the track in 2020, 2 out of the 3 Supra’s present have bitten the wall, as in totalled. I know that it could be conjecture, driver and whatnot but it is telling that basically the most cars I’ve seen crashed this year on track have been Corvette Z06 and Supra.

If this is true, it would not necessarily be apparent in a test drive, or even driving on the street.

I personally love the MK5 looks, stance, interior feel and so on. But I’m not sure that it can take 450BHP (and the torque!) out of an S55 or S58 without some substantial chassis modifications. Of course a 6sp S55/8 Supra would be a very intriguing car (and likely more expensive, the S engines are significantly more expensive than their N counterparts).

[RBNetEngr]

I agree that the video was very good. My only complaint is that most of the on-track video of the M2 CS was with it drifting through turns. For me, a few of those shots would be entertaining, but I actually got bored ONLY seeing those clips of the M2 CS. Conversely, most of the MK4 video clips focused in it’s amazing acceleration, because it has 1000 hp.

There is a ‘companion’ video on Haggerty YouTube channel where they compare that same MK5 Supra with the Z4. That’s also a good video.

If Toyota produces a MT version of the Supra, it will have a good initial market, until the MT aficionados get their car, then the rest will collect dust at dealer lots.

[brad850csi]

Originally Posted by adc

Some folks were comparing the Supra MK4 with the E36 M3, I can tell you the E36 drove a lot better than the Supra due to having 300-400lbs less weight. At the track, you almost never saw a Supra but it was chock-full of M3’s, always has been. You can argue build quality, potential for tuning and so on but IMO it wasn't more fun to drive.

With the MK5 Supra, what I hear is that it is snappy at the limit, meaning not smooth or predictable. At various events at the track in 2020, 2 out of the 3 Supra’s present have bitten the wall, as in totalled. I know that it could be conjecture, driver and whatnot but it is telling that basically the most cars I’ve seen crashed this year on track have been Corvette Z06 and Supra.

If this is true, it would not necessarily be apparent in a test drive, or even driving on the street.

I personally love the MK5 looks, stance, interior feel and so on. But I’m not sure that it can take 450BHP (and the torque!) out of an S55 or S58 without some substantial chassis modifications. Of course a 6sp S55/8 Supra would be a very intriguing car (and likely more expensive, the S engines are significantly more expensive than their N counterparts).

I'd guess it is related to this

[ADEe92]

Originally Posted by RBNetEngr

I agree that the video was very good. My only complaint is that most of the on-track video of the M2 CS was with it drifting through turns. For me, a few of those shots would be entertaining, but I actually got bored ONLY seeing those clips of the M2 CS. Conversely, most of the MK4 focused focused in it’s amazing acceleration, because it has 1000 hp

Agreed - enjoyed the video, but the Mk4 fanboys seem blind to the fact that despite the 2JZ they handled more like a RWD Camry. Contemporary reviews back in the 90s said as much of the Mk4 & in markets where the Skyline GTR was available (ie. not the USA) it generally lost in comparison tests against the GTR, which was its natural competitor.

The other comparison magazines would do was with other GTs such as the 8 series rather than an e36 M3 as they were in a different class as far as handling went.

Stock vs stock, the M2CS would crush the Mk4's lap times, and keeping up with the M2 in a heavily modified Mk4 is hardly an accurate representation of what the cars are really like.

[adc]

Originally Posted by brad850csi

I'd guess it is related to this

Hah, very interesting reading, thank you for the links!

I wonder if the Z4 shares the same issues...

[windnsea00]

Originally Posted by adc

Hah, very interesting reading, thank you for the links!

I wonder if the Z4 shares the same issues...

No one probably drives one hard enough to know

[adc]

Originally Posted by windnsea00

No one probably drives one hard enough to know

Haha. Definitely a different beast than my 2004...