BMW design head hints at BMW M2 or CSL / GTS model by reference to E30 M3?

crawfordbay · 03-19-2015, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SCOTT26

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That is some big news.Sounds like BMW really is going all out with the design of the M2.Are you able to give any hints of the styling differences of the two cars?

The M2 is standard M. Muscular front and rear with striking and unique aerodynamics.
The Secondary car is a slimmer variant of the Vision GT car more in tune with the width of the M235i Racing Car.

Thank you!!

DVC · 03-19-2015, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Colinv6

So the question is will the wider, lighter, probably faster one be the car to wait for? Or will it not be as good as a Daily driver, will it be much more expensive etc etc...

The concept of a CSL/GTS is one of compromise: performance for comfort... A "regular" M would certainly be more suited to DD duty, with the CSL/GTS variant for more performance-minded customers who are more than willing to sacrifice some comfort. This is the way it should be; if there will indeed be a CSL/GTS version of this car, I sincerely hope we don't start seeing pleas for the standard fare of (heavy) creature comforts and DD-oriented sound deadening, chassis tuning and compliance. If they're going to do, let's give show them a unilateral appetite for them to really do it RIGHT.

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Originally Posted by twin fed

And what are the chances of it making it to the US and at what cost??

I don't expect anyone to provide cost estimates to us at this point, but I would sure like some indication of whether it will be available in NA/US... which I would be willing to bet would be one the highest-demand markets.

nemex12 · 03-19-2015, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by M3ichael

Hopefully they build the one in the picture. But, they never build the one in the picture.

I think they already did, at least digitally, as that looks like the bmw vision granturismo

aajami · 03-19-2015, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SCOTT26

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Originally Posted by Levi

I wish it did, but M2 CSL will never happen.

Ye of never any faith...I seen the this secondary version of the M2 again today and hopefully you will see it soon in public.

Will you release it in the U.S.?

///Mobbin · 03-19-2015, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Levi

I wish it did, but M2 CSL will never happen.

Ye of never any faith...I seen the this secondary version of the M2 again today and hopefully you will see it soon in public.

Will you release it in the U.S.?

Unfortunately, I think my wife will limit me to only one M2. I'll be happy with that though, trust me!

Also, cool that they're pursuing it, U.S or not, though obviously I'd rather they sell it here too!

raysspl · 03-19-2015, 05:45 PM

Let's see the M2 already!

RingMeister01 · 03-19-2015, 05:51 PM

Thank You Munich

snowyf31 · 03-19-2015, 06:36 PM

This car will definitely be one of BMW's greatest if it comes to production. Light weight plus M power and performance will be tremendous. Looks great too! The widened body and quad exhaust are a good hint at the M3/4 but not as aggressive. Can't wait to see the final outcome!

andnkuhn · 03-19-2015, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by clbmw

So every 100 years we'll get a lightweight little M car. Roll on 2116

Hahah

Adem1534 · 03-19-2015, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by snowyf31

This car will definitely be one of BMW's greatest if it comes to production. Light weight plus M power and performance will be tremendous. Looks great too! The widened body and quad exhaust are a good hint at the M3/4 but not as aggressive. Can't wait to see the final outcome!

I think it will be more aggressive, actually, just like how the M3/4 is more aggressive than the M6. I feel that the M3/4 will be more "business" like and the M2 will be more aggressive and less restrained in terms of styling.

auf Deutsch · 03-19-2015, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by amdmaxx

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11503199...m-model-likely

Weight should drop from the M235i's 1,530 kg (3,373 lbs) to 1,400 kg (3,086 lbs) which should enable the M2 run the 0-62 mph (0-100 km/h) sprint in 4.4 seconds before topping out at an electronically-capped 155 mph (250 km/h) or more with an optional M Driver's Package.

Call me skeptical..

Some of these online rags have absolutely zero credibility. So the M2 "should" weigh as much as a base Cayman. Ok. That weight and expected hp would propel the M2 to 60 in under 4 seconds and through the traps as fast, if not faster than an M3/4.

And read the last sentence...."a rear drive layout could be optionally offered in select markets." What?

PackPride85 · 03-19-2015, 09:04 PM

I think it was just a poorly written article. That 1400kg number was most likely meant for the M2 CSL model and the last sentence meant to say "an AWD layout....". Not that I believe either one....

///Mobbin · 03-20-2015, 05:25 AM

Any word on the carbon fiber strut brace yet? Since it was already made to fit the m235i Racing Car I feel like the M2 is an obvious candidate for it!

dmboone25 · 03-20-2015, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by twin fed

And what are the chances of it making it to the US and at what cost??

Agreed - these are the questions I have as well.

The cost will probably be prohibitive, but it's nice to dream.

pit1 · 03-20-2015, 08:33 AM

Statements like "lightweight" and "e30 M3" make me think this M2 variant could see a high-output I-4

Bemo · 03-20-2015, 08:52 AM

You guys are funny with this engine-based weight savings. How much weight would you save with an I4 vs. an I6? Ten, twenty pounds? Significant weight reduction can only be achieved by using more lightweight components such as carbon fiber or completely re engineering the chassis, which may happen with nextgen buy not now....

dmboone25 · 03-20-2015, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Bemo

You guys are funny with this engine-based weight savings. How much weight would you save with an I4 vs. an I6? Ten, twenty pounds? Significant weight reduction can only be achieved by using more lightweight components such as carbon fiber or completely re engineering the chassis, which may happen with nextgen buy not now....

Maybe they will go Spartan on the interior? No back seats, A/C delete, etc.

That wouldn't require the additional engineering required for the swaps you mention above...

Mavus · 03-20-2015, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Bemo

You guys are funny with this engine-based weight savings. How much weight would you save with an I4 vs. an I6? Ten, twenty pounds? Significant weight reduction can only be achieved by using more lightweight components such as carbon fiber or completely re engineering the chassis, which may happen with nextgen buy not now....

Why not??

It is a small car and with smart use of aluminum and cfrp it can be done! It should not weigh more than 3200 lbs loaded. Take 228i as a starting point and add 15K for fancy material. You can get a slick car.

gaijin · 03-20-2015, 09:05 AM

Makes perfect marketing sense! Anniversary or commemorative adds another fodder.

LinkF1 · 03-20-2015, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bemo

You guys are funny with this engine-based weight savings. How much weight would you save with an I4 vs. an I6? Ten, twenty pounds? Significant weight reduction can only be achieved by using more lightweight components such as carbon fiber or completely re engineering the chassis, which may happen with nextgen buy not now....

Over 100 lbs difference between an N20 (304 lbs) and S55 (452 lbs).

auf Deutsch · 03-20-2015, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Bemo

You guys are funny with this engine-based weight savings. How much weight would you save with an I4 vs. an I6? Ten, twenty pounds? Significant weight reduction can only be achieved by using more lightweight components such as carbon fiber or completely re engineering the chassis, which may happen with nextgen buy not now....

The S3 with its 4 banger is relatively light with its 3300lb curb weight.

kyleb350 · 03-20-2015, 09:52 AM

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Over 100 lbs difference between an N20 (304 lbs) and S55 (452 lbs).

185 HP difference there as well.

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