[carl44]

Originally Posted by HPIA4v2

+1
I haven't driven the M2 but with M3 in Sport+ and MDM, watch out.
This leads me to wonder, did OP turn the sport+ on M2C on? along with MDM if that's available on M2C.

Yes i my opinion is based on 200+ miles on my M2C and 13k on the M2. I am very familiar with all the drive mode settings. My thoughts are based on apples to apples comparison. Again don't forget its just my opinion, Not right or wrong.
carl

[boostm3]

Originally Posted by dmk08

They definitely detuned the whole car in the US otherwise it would have the same power as an M4 Without asking an engine coder to look at the software we'll never know. Ill reach out to CaryTheLabelGuy today maybe he has looked into an M2C files at this point.

It's definitely detuned from the M3/M4 Never meant that it wasnt. I thought this was about how in the comparo with the original M2, the M2c was felt to be less torquey down low ; not surprising when you view the comparative torque curves.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by boostm3

It's definitely detuned from the M3/M4 Never meant that it wasnt. I thought this was about how in the comparo with the original M2, the M2c was felt to be less torquey down low ; not surprising when you view the comparative torque curves.

You are talking 1800 to 2600rpm or something. So only in first gear will you notice this and only for like 1/16th of a second.

[arquitecto]

Originally Posted by carl44

Yes i my opinion is based on 200+ miles on my M2C and 13k on the M2. I am very familiar with all the drive mode settings. My thoughts are based on apples to apples comparison. Again don't forget its just my opinion, Not right or wrong.
carl

Carl, thanks for your honest review. I am not sure why people question your point of view and require you to justify it when you are one of the only ones at this point to have first hand experience in both cars.

As someone with a lot of experience with OG M2 I see your, and MR.’s, reviews as more in line with what one of us M2 owners would feel after driving the M2C. The fact that you two are so consistent with your feedback seems very telling especially since you have committed to M2C and have nothing to gain by it.

No doubt M2C is a great car, reviewers have been on and on about that. But they are just that, reviewers, not long term owners. Tuning aspects aside, the more and more we hear from actual M2 owner reviews the more it seems the jump from OG M2 is not light years ahead as initial hype made it out to be.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by arquitecto

Carl, thanks for your honest review. I am not sure why people question your point of view and require you to justify it when you are one of the only ones at this point to have first hand experience in both cars.

As someone with a lot of experience with OG M2 I see your, and MR.’s, reviews as more in line with what one of us M2 owners would feel after driving the M2C. The fact that you two are so consistent with your feedback seems very telling especially since you have committed to M2C and have nothing to gain by it.

No doubt M2C is a great car, reviewers have been on and on about that. But they are just that, reviewers, not long term owners. The more and more we hear from actual M2 owner reviews the more it seems the jump from OG M2 is not light years ahead as initial hype made it out to be.

The specialness of the S55 is over 5000rpm vs an N55. All these people in break-in are not experiencing that yet

[boostm3]

Originally Posted by dmk08

You are talking 1800 to 2600rpm or something. So only in first gear will you notice this and only for like 1/16th of a second.

I think the OP noticed it a little more..

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by boostm3

I think the OP noticed it a little more..

I'm just saying if you're flooring it at 1800rpm in any gear but first you're doing it wrong.

[FSU_Logan]

Originally Posted by dmk08

I'm just saying if you're flooring it at 1800rpm in any gear but first you're doing it wrong.

Lugging the car right along.. lol

[cptobvious]

Originally Posted by carl44

My dealer is great they give me the keys for anything and never go along. Been doing business with them for 21yrs. Bought 6 cars in the last 3 and referred 7 more. carl

I need your life!

[carl44]

Originally Posted by arquitecto

Carl, thanks for your honest review. I am not sure why people question your point of view and require you to justify it when you are one of the only ones at this point to have first hand experience in both cars.

As someone with a lot of experience with OG M2 I see your, and MR.’s, reviews as more in line with what one of us M2 owners would feel after driving the M2C. The fact that you two are so consistent with your feedback seems very telling especially since you have committed to M2C and have nothing to gain by it.

No doubt M2C is a great car, reviewers have been on and on about that. But they are just that, reviewers, not long term owners. Tuning aspects aside, the more and more we hear from actual M2 owner reviews the more it seems the jump from OG M2 is not light years ahead as initial hype made it out to be.

Thank you. I dont want anyone to think i dont like the car.

The M2C has some incremental improvements but its not a totally new car. Mine is a DD i did track my M2 and found it a little sloppy on the track.

Thats because my past track cars, Gt2,GT3, Lotus ExigeS, and currently a GT4 were total sports/track cars. The M2C is a great sports sedan not a sports car. carl

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by carl44

Thank you. I dont want anyone to think i dont like the car.

The M2C has some incremental improvements but its not a totally new car. Mine is a DD i did track my M2 and found it a little sloppy on the track.

Thats because my past track cars, Gt2,GT3, Lotus ExigeS, and currently a GT4 were total sports/track cars. The M2C is a great sports sedan not a sports car. carl

A sedan has 4 doors Sport coupe.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by arquitecto

Tuning aspects aside, the more and more we hear from actual M2 owner reviews the more it seems the jump from OG M2 is not light years ahead as initial hype made it out to be.

It’s not meant to be light years ahead. Just like the $4,750 Competition Pack on the M4 doesn’t make it light years better.

But don’t get it twisted, the S55 will take the M2 to a level it could never reach with the N55.

[F87_LCI]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

But don’t get it twisted, the S55 will take the M2 to a level it could never reach with the N55.

If you are cool with voiding your warranty from the sounds of it...

[AlpsRider]

No offense to the OP, but all this fuss over one opinion after 200 something miles on a new car is a little premature. How about all the "reviews" that claimed the M2 was missing that extra zip and the M2C cured it? A different throttle map can make a car feel completely different at lower rpms. When I switch my car into Sport+ mode it feels like it just got an extra 50 HP but it didn't, only the throttle map was changed.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by F87_LCI

If you are cool with voiding your warranty from the sounds of it...

Since most of the buyers say they'll keep it forever they can do it after it expires

[nomoracin]

Originally Posted by MR_M2

Thanks, Carl, for the insights.

My $0.02: Your posts are a little hard to read with complete lack of punctuation marks.

I actually agree with MR_M2 that Carl's posts are difficult to read at times. I just probably would've worded it differently.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by dmk08

The specialness of the S55 is over 5000rpm vs an N55. All these people in break-in are not experiencing that yet

+1

The rev happy nature makes it a much more playful engine on the track.

In fact many complained when the F8x was first delivered, it was too torquey down low. Owners wanted a more linear powerband, wanted torque to build as rpm/hp increases.

The CS M4 has been tuned differently to ZCP. Below 2400RPM BMW has tamed the torque output. This is why reviews have stated the power delivery of the CS is more manageable, feels more naturally aspirated. This certainly could be what BMW did with the M2C S55.

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by F87_LCI

If you are cool with voiding your warranty from the sounds of it...

Famous German tuner AC Schnitzer provides 5 years international warranty (on engine components) on their Piggyback ECU on the S55 (510ps) at no extra cost. The product is more $$ than JB4 or BM3 flash but for the purpose of ease of mind on engine warranty claims there is one solution right here.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

+1

The rev happy nature makes it a much more playful engine on the track.

In fact many complained when the F8x was first delivered, it was too torquey down low. Owners wanted a more linear powerband, wanted torque to build as rpm/hp increases.

The CS M4 has been tuned differently to ZCP. Below 2400RPM BMW has tamed the torque output. This is why reviews have stated the power delivery of the CS is more manageable, feels more naturally aspirated. This certainly could be what BMW did with the M2C S55.

This down low change actually came between the Standard and the ZCP car. I think it just carried over to the CS.

I had a launch 15 M3 and one of the first 16 ZCP cars delivered. It was very noticeable right away and to your point BETTER in the 16. The car was obviously faster and easier to put the power down.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

Famous German tuner AC Schnitzer provides 5 years international warranty (on engine components) on their Piggyback ECU on the S55 (510ps) at no extra cost. The product is more $$ than JB4 or BM3 flash but for the purpose of ease of mind on engine warranty claims there is one solution right here.

US has Dinan that offers warranty. Stage 1 tunes starting at 516hp.

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

No offense to the OP, but all this fuss over one opinion after 200 something miles on a new car is a little premature. How about all the "reviews" that claimed the M2 was missing that extra zip and the M2C cured it? A different throttle map can make a car feel completely different at lower rpms. When I switch my car into Sport+ mode it feels like it just got an extra 50 HP but it didn't, only the throttle map was changed.

Yes...though OP actually mentioned

"The M2C likes to rev more you feel the power build the M2 runs out of steam @6k . I always considered the M2 a solid car but the M2C feels more so..."

It seems some existing owners got too excited when they saw OP mentioned that the engine doesn't seems to be as throttle responsive early on in the RPM and that the car doesn't feel as snappy and then forgot the rest of what he wrote...

[HOT M]

Originally Posted by carl44

Thats because my past track cars, Gt2,GT3, Lotus ExigeS, and currently a GT4 were total sports/track cars. The M2C is a great sports sedan not a sports car. carl

Hey Carl, you need to bring your GT4 or the M2C to PCCC Teststrecke events at SM Airport, next one is Sep 15th. I will be there.