09-06-2019, 05:35 AM | #1 |
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265/295 owners, how did switching tire setup change the car?
Hey guys, I recently ordered some Apex EC-7 for a wider R888R tire setup of 265/295 since with my tune the car is spinning the wheels every shift up to 4th. For users of this or similar staggered setups wider than factory, how did this change the driving dynamics during spirited driving and track use? If anyone has any impressions, I’d love to hear them. Thanks
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09-06-2019, 07:42 AM | #2 |
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Interested in this too. We did this to our F80 (but with PS4s) on the stock 19s and the handling/grip feels awesome. Hoping the same or close to the M2C can be done as well. The stock set up is nice, but even some marginal improvement at the limit would be worth it. Plus beefier tires makes for a much more comfortable ride for sure on some of the tougher pieces of road.
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As a track day tire they are fine but wear way too quickly for the price. PS4S for the street, Nankang AR-1 for yhe track is my opinion (cup 2 if you can swing it). |
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I posted the following in the tires/wheels section, which seems to get relatively little viewing and, thus, without response. Perhaps the answers lie within this thread.
***** 2020 M2C. I like the vehicle stance on stock suspension, but feel the tires need a little more ‘poke.’ Not interested in spacers, and believe the best solution is simply wider tires. (1) Is it possible to get the same tire make and model as M2C stock, except simply wider? I am guesstimating that front 255 and rear 275 would be about right, maybe even 265 front and 285 rear? (2) As suggested, I am sure there would be some degree of performance change/compromise with the larger tires, but I am not a ‘tracker,’ so most likely imperceptible to me. What I do care about is whether the larger width tires would cause any fender rub? In such regard, what is the largest width one can get away with, front and rear, with no rub issues? Thank you for the feedback in advance. ///AVM |
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Max tire size depends on suspension setup but 265/295 seems to be the limit on oem equipment. Also 285s seem to be rare. Cup 2s seem to like a narrow temp operating window and lots of front camber. |
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09-07-2019, 07:20 AM | #8 |
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So, Michelin Pilot Super Sport 255F/275R are stock M3/4 width size, and no problem with fitment on M2C with stock suspension. Very helpful and appreciated information. Thank you ///AVM |
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09-07-2019, 03:27 PM | #9 |
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IMO 265/30 and 295/30 are the way to go for our M2C. That's what I am planning once these wear out.
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09-07-2019, 04:29 PM | #10 | |
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Thank you for your feedback. Few quick questions. (1) Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the stock M2C tires are Michelin PSS 245/35 and 265/35. I assume the sidewall aspect ratio changes from 35 (stock) to 30 with larger section widths because the sidewall height remains constant? (2) Can you get the Michelin PSS in 265/30 and 295/30, or did you have to obtain a different tire model? (3) With stock M2C suspension, have you encountered any reports of fender rub with the 265/30 and 295/30 tires? (4) Do you have reference to any pics of M2C on stock suspension with 265/30 and 295/30 setup? Thank you again ///AVM |
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09-07-2019, 05:54 PM | #11 | ||
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2 - Look on tire rack, really easy to search. But why not go with ps4s?
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09-07-2019, 06:25 PM | #14 | |
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Please forgive me, but I am not well-versed in the multitudes of tire options available. Could you tell me the difference between the Michelin PSS and PS 4S? I suspect the reasoning behind your recommendation lies in said difference. Thank you ///AVM |
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https://www.automobilemag.com/news/m...t-super-sport/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/01...-at-cornering/ https://artofgears.com/2017/02/09/mi...lot-sport-4-s/
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Thank you for adding that second video . . . since I do not track my vehicles, I do not believe my knowledge of tires has evolved beyond the aesthetics of what I have always assumed were solid stock offerings. The above stated, I believe the gentleman reviewing the PSS versus PS 4S was convincing in his conclusion that the PS 4S is a superior tire for the enthusiast who enjoys occasionally spirited road driving, as well as more prevalent daily drives (better ride, better traction and better wear). I will be interested to confirm that the stock M2C wheels are compatible with the PS 4S 265/30 and 295/30 set up? I am under the impression that the 255/30 and 275/30 set up represents no problem. As an aside, after watching the videos, I was forced to reflect upon various M2C reviews and comments therein regarding steering performance. Again, I do not track my vehicles, so what I feel is perfectly adequate steering on the roadway, may not be quite as 'adequate' on the track? Whatever the case, the gentleman's comments in the videos make me wonder if the tires are as important to steering (and handling) as the steering components themselves? In other words, I wonder if those less than impressed with the M2C steering might be responding to the stock tires more than the steering itself? Thank you again ///AVM Last edited by ///AVM; 09-07-2019 at 07:27 PM.. |
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I think if you are not a track rat and aren't going to be shooting for 600hp, 255 fronts and 275 rears are all you need on the stock rims, at least it would be for me.
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There are people with stage2 turbos and atleast 700hp and no issues with wheelspin. Can floor it in 2nd gear and the car moves forward Would tune it somewhere else if it's spinning to 4th gear. |
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just put PS4S's on my c63 and love love them. Want to do similarly with the M2c but also want wider. Following along...
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I was thinking the same. Where did you get your tune sir!!!? |
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