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Not even the KIA???
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Its a machine; a collection of parts attached to a steel frame, if you change said parts to enhance how it performs, how can you tell which one has a "soul" and which one is "dead?" I do get what you're saying but It's all subjective. And OP, there are a treasure trove of YouTube that highlights the pros and cons of both vehicles. One is loud and emotional and the other is subtle and a sleeper car. Pick the one that appeals to you based on your needs and personality. I'm guessing that's the reason BMW sells both at the same time, to give us choices.. |
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Just kidding, I made the same swap 2017 to 2019 M2C, very happy. The motor alone make the swap worth it. The N55 ran out of breathe at 4,500 RPM like it was a Subaru. |
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And some people use humor to empathize a retort. Nothing personal. Alright "quikM2", didn't mean to spill your talk glass of M Koolaid, it's obviously the bestest car in the world and nothing else can obviously match up.. The end. Happy now? |
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They are... it's $3000+ for the part + install though, and the jury seems to be out as to whether there's much difference in an automatic car. I think that there would be, but without taking one out for a spin, it's a pretty big gamble.
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Granted this is an M2 forum, but Road & Track compared the M2 6mt vs the M235 6mt (w/lsd). On a 2 mile road course, the M2 was a mere 0.5 seconds faster. That's it all the while running wider tires, bigger brakes, better suspension parts, eLSD, and an extra 30whp/30wtq.
If you've ever driven an M235, you can tell BMW intentionally neutered the front axle with narrow 225 width tires up front. I'm running a 245 square setup and it makes a huge difference in front grip. It's rather staggering. I've got the LSD now plus the HJS downpipe and my M235 6mt with moonroof delete feels so much better than stock and feels no slower in a straight line than the 6mt M2 I've driven; probably because my car is making close to M2 stock numbers and my M235 is about 70lbs lighter than a 6mt M2. I certainly agree that the M2 "feels" much better, better composed, more raw, and I love all of that for sure , but that feel doesn't necessarily equate into as big a difference in the real numbers as you'd expect. With all that said, I truly love the M2 and am really eyeballing all the 2018 6mts for sale right now. |
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I had a 235 for ~18 months and it was the worst BMW I’ve had.
As I’ve said before, drove me out of the brand and into a Porsche, which just happened to be the best car I’ve ever owned. One car has “it” (M2) and one car doesn’t (235/240). PS - “quick” in a straight line isn’t what the M2 is about. If you don’t get that, well, the other car was made for people like you.
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The cost is definitely a "thing" and ultimately was what brought me back to BMW - but if you ever go and test drive one, you will be ruined forever - it's just different and on a completely different level, even from M cars. The M performance line is fine for what it is, but BMW marketed the 235 as a replacement for the 1M, which it clearly wasn't. I had one of the first cars, bought it sight unseen and no test drive - so much of the blame is my own.
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If your M235 is Xdrive and need the car for daily, I'd modify the M235i.
If for weekend duty for only nice days, I'd get the M2.
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then go for the M2. Widebody alone was the deciding factor for me to get the M2. both cars have enough power to go to jail. I think resale will be much stronger with M2 in 10 years as all M cars do.
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I was deciding between my M2 and RS3 back 2 years ago. RS3 has that killer engine, beautiful interior along with AWD. The reason I chose the M2 is RS3 looks just like a normal S3 or even A3, it lacked road presence that M2 has. M2 with its widebody looks special and stands out a lot.
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