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      03-11-2019, 06:09 PM   #23
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The contis. The harshness is bad enough to the point for me where I dont think a set of tires would do too much.
In my experience, Contis ride like rocks.
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I actually found the suspension on the F87 a bit soft as a sporty car...softer than the 1M and I used to daily the 1M with no drivability issues. Think I might need to get the M performance suspension now...
Could not disagree more. My 1M was or is far more compliant than my old M2 with Michelin tires.
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I find that the one downfall to this otherwise amazing car ('18 LCI) is the poor ride quality.

Granted I daily drive all year round in war-zone like roads here Massachusetts, but for me it's just too harsh, even with my 18" winters.

I'm seriously considering a second car as a comfortable daily driver to break things up. Or a CPO 991...
Have you driven an M3/4 to compare? My E90 335 "Sport" was terrible with broken roads. My F80 may be stiffer but it handles potholes much better. It's definitely firm but for it's performance it's pretty good. Driving through Manhattan isn't great but that's expected in a stiff car.
The E90 335 had run flats and a horrific ride (to me)

My M2 made me cry uncle after one year. I'm now in a 18 M3 and it is sooo much better. Chicago roads suck.
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Could not disagree more. My 1M was or is far more compliant than my old M2 with Michelin tires.


The E90 335 had run flats and a horrific ride (to me)

My M2 made me cry uncle after one year. I'm now in a 18 M3 and it is sooo much better. Chicago roads suck.
Roads here must be way different cause the 1M rides rough where as the M2 is softer in comparison. Very noticeable difference when over speed bumps and potholes.
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Roads here must be way different cause the 1M rides rough where as the M2 is softer in comparison. Very noticeable difference when over speed bumps and potholes.
We might even be talking different things here. I think it is the rebound (or lack thereof) with the M2 and apparently that is why they changed some of the bushings for the M2C in the rear. There is/was just no give in the M2 suspension to me and yes, people LOVE when I say this -but it was impossible to drink coffee (or any liquid) in the M2 whereas no issues in the 1M.

- I'm reminded of a co-worker who went to go visit a client with me and ended up totally soaked after a ride on the highway in the M2. I still remember him saying "What the heck is wrong with your car dude!"

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We might even be talking different things here. I think it is the rebound (or lack thereof) with the M2 and apparently that is why they changed some of the bushings for the M2C in the rear. There is/was just no give in the M2 suspension to me and yes, people LOVE when I say this -but it was impossible to drink coffee (or any liquid) in the M2 whereas no issues in the 1M.

- I'm reminded of a co-worker who went to go visit a client with me and ended up totally soaked after a ride on the highway in the M2. I still remember him saying "What the heck is wrong with your car dude!"

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Roads here must be way different cause the 1M rides rough where as the M2 is softer in comparison. Very noticeable difference when over speed bumps and potholes.
We might even be talking different things here. I think it is the rebound (or lack thereof) with the M2 and apparently that is why they changed some of the bushings for the M2C in the rear. There is/was just no give in the M2 suspension to me and yes, people LOVE when I say this -but it was impossible to drink coffee (or any liquid) in the M2 whereas no issues in the 1M.

- I'm reminded of a co-worker who went to go visit a client with me and ended up totally soaked after a ride on the highway in the M2. I still remember him saying "What the heck is wrong with your car dude!"

Ok well if this is true then it should have been noticed by many people by now and any argument that the M2 rides similar to the M3 is over. I'm sure everyone drinks coffee or whatever in their car. For sure never have had this issue in my F80. Can anyone else support the lack of being able to keep a drink in the car? If this is remotely true then the M2 is unusable and has to be off my list.
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I have no trouble drinking in my car, as long as I plan ahead for bumps and such.

I think a large part of the ride quality difference between the M2 and M3/M4 is the longer wheelbase on the latter. Otherwise, they are all stiff M cars.

Fortunately, I have a comfortable DD and only occasionally drive the M2.
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I'm just glad the chassis is very stiff so the bumps while firm are controlled. The ride really doesn't bother me that much as I'm used to firm riding cars to the point where I'm not comfortably driving softly sprung cars with body roll. That said I feel the Golf R is probably the ideal compromise when it comes to balancing comfort and sport.
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Ok well if this is true then it should have been noticed by many people by now and any argument that the M2 rides similar to the M3 is over. I'm sure everyone drinks coffee or whatever in their car. For sure never have had this issue in my F80. Can anyone else support the lack of being able to keep a drink in the car? If this is remotely true then the M2 is unusable and has to be off my list.
I mean I drink coffee out of a thermos or any cup from a coffee shop with a top no problem.....

I mean we're not talking open top right? That would be madness.
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      03-14-2019, 05:15 PM   #33
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Going down from 19 inch summer wheels to winter 18s makes a discernible different in how my vehicle absorbs NYC crater-size potholes.. Almost a night and day difference.
I agree. I live right next to NY, local driving mainly in Hudson and Bergen counties in NJ. The (2018 M2) ride on the 19" with OEM summer Continentals is annoyingly rough at times. I find myself wanting to take our F30 328i on local shopping, eating out etc trips instead (neither of us drives to work). The 18" winter tire (Michelin PA-4)/wheel set (bought from BMW dealer) is noticeably softer. Not day and night itself, but it pushes it to a point where I'm not bothered by the ride, can enjoy the M2, and want to take it, even on these rough, congested, boring local roads. And some stretches of street/road in this area are *really* bad, not comfortable in the 328i either. It also BTW is noticeably better over potholes with the Pirelli P-zero non runflats I have on it now than the OEM runflats I replaced.
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Ok well if this is true then it should have been noticed by many people by now and any argument that the M2 rides similar to the M3 is over. I'm sure everyone drinks coffee or whatever in their car. For sure never have had this issue in my F80. Can anyone else support the lack of being able to keep a drink in the car? If this is remotely true then the M2 is unusable and has to be off my list.
I mean I drink coffee out of a thermos or any cup from a coffee shop with a top no problem.....

I mean we're not talking open top right? That would be madness.
I assumed he meant with a top on the cup. I would not expect any car to be able to put a cup in a cup holder filled with a liquid and no top. If this latter is the case, then that's not a big deal.
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Ok well if this is true then it should have been noticed by many people by now and any argument that the M2 rides similar to the M3 is over. I'm sure everyone drinks coffee or whatever in their car. For sure never have had this issue in my F80. Can anyone else support the lack of being able to keep a drink in the car? If this is remotely true then the M2 is unusable and has to be off my list.
I can assure you that the OG M2 does NOT ride similar to the M3 with adaptive suspension.

I think the real key is where are you driving it? Here in Chicago (which I suspect might be similar to NYC) where we have lots of salt, roads freezing/thawing/etc - the roads are terrible. Car is probably fine in California (or North Carolina). But to try and drink while going over said roads in IL, forgettaboutit.

and look - even if you say "don't drink coffee in your car" - that's cool - but the ride - the lack of compliance if you will - just wore on me. My M3 has a very stiff ride and it is still a bit tough on some of the roads out here -but it is a sports car and very manageable.

and... they changed the rear bushings on the M2C - reports are that they did that because the ride was just not bueno and yes, the reviews of the M2 back this up - probably the single biggest complaint most reviewers had.

LOTS of people say "make it stiffer!" but the issue wasn't with the stiffness - it was the compliance - how it handled those bumps.
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Ok well if this is true then it should have been noticed by many people by now and any argument that the M2 rides similar to the M3 is over. I'm sure everyone drinks coffee or whatever in their car. For sure never have had this issue in my F80. Can anyone else support the lack of being able to keep a drink in the car? If this is remotely true then the M2 is unusable and has to be off my list.
I can assure you that the OG M2 does NOT ride similar to the M3 with adaptive suspension.

I think the real key is where are you driving it? Here in Chicago (which I suspect might be similar to NYC) where we have lots of salt, roads freezing/thawing/etc - the roads are terrible. Car is probably fine in California (or North Carolina). But to try and drink while going over said roads in IL, forgettaboutit.

and look - even if you say "don't drink coffee in your car" - that's cool - but the ride - the lack of compliance if you will - just wore on me. My M3 has a very stiff ride and it is still a bit tough on some of the roads out here -but it is a sports car and very manageable.

and... they changed the rear bushings on the M2C - reports are that they did that because the ride was just not bueno and yes, the reviews of the M2 back this up - probably the single biggest complaint most reviewers had.

LOTS of people say "make it stiffer!" but the issue wasn't with the stiffness - it was the compliance - how it handled those bumps.
Wow - I really need to test drive this thing. I haven't seen the reviews speak to it at this level.
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I'm surprised how many feel the M2 is not compliant. For the performance offered I find it very comfortable. It's no late model 911, but I've had it on some significant road trips, haul family/bikes to and from the shore, and day trips with my CEO. No one complains. My only issue is drone, in part due to Dinan.
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Wow - I really need to test drive this thing. I haven't seen the reviews speak to it at this level.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...nce-ownership/
"Members of the latter group kept the logbook pages populated with references to the protean M240i and its more compliant ride and lower price.
They're not wrong. Even the M2's champions had a hard time ignoring its jarring ride, and the proliferation of squeaks and rattles suggest that maybe the M2 rides too stiffly even for itself. "
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The ride is jarring but it has not removed the smile from my face while driving it.

Yet...
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I'm surprised how many feel the M2 is not compliant. For the performance offered I find it very comfortable. It's no late model 911, but I've had it on some significant road trips, haul family/bikes to and from the shore, and day trips with my CEO. No one complains. My only issue is drone, in part due to Dinan.
I find it ride very comfortable as well. Sometimes too comfortable that I don’t feel like I am in a sports car. That’s why I am thinking about the MP coilovers
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Roads here must be way different cause the 1M rides rough where as the M2 is softer in comparison. Very noticeable difference when over speed bumps and potholes.
We might even be talking different things here. I think it is the rebound (or lack thereof) with the M2 and apparently that is why they changed some of the bushings for the M2C in the rear. There is/was just no give in the M2 suspension to me and yes, people LOVE when I say this -but it was impossible to drink coffee (or any liquid) in the M2 whereas no issues in the 1M.

- I'm reminded of a co-worker who went to go visit a client with me and ended up totally soaked after a ride on the highway in the M2. I still remember him saying "What the heck is wrong with your car dude!"

Ok well if this is true then it should have been noticed by many people by now and any argument that the M2 rides similar to the M3 is over. I'm sure everyone drinks coffee or whatever in their car. For sure never have had this issue in my F80. Can anyone else support the lack of being able to keep a drink in the car? If this is remotely true then the M2 is unusable and has to be off my list.
Drink coffee out of a travel tumbler multiple times every day on my 40+ min commute without any issues ever.
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Drink coffee out of a travel tumbler multiple times every day on my 40+ min commute without any issues ever.
I've been to Texas - your roads are perfect compared to Chicago. Not a lot of freeze - salt/thaw/freeze - salt going on there.

I'm tempted to take a picture of some of the roads we drive on here. It is outstanding.
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Ok well if this is true then it should have been noticed by many people by now and any argument that the M2 rides similar to the M3 is over. I'm sure everyone drinks coffee or whatever in their car. For sure never have had this issue in my F80. Can anyone else support the lack of being able to keep a drink in the car? If this is remotely true then the M2 is unusable and has to be off my list.
If the coffe cup is filled to the brim, it will spill out if you go over bumps fast

Just keep 75% or less and youll be aiight
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Drink coffee out of a travel tumbler multiple times every day on my 40+ min commute without any issues ever.
I've been to Texas - your roads are perfect compared to Chicago. Not a lot of freeze - salt/thaw/freeze - salt going on there.

I'm tempted to take a picture of some of the roads we drive on here. It is outstanding.
FWIW I spent 4yrs in Cleveland and there's really no way drinking out of a lidded/to-go cup would have been a legitimate issue. However I may not be as in love with the F87 as a DD if I still lived in the snowbelt and had to drive in the city regularly.
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