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Though you've already outlined ruling it out, I still think the M4 is your best bet because of the ease and convenience of a larger coupe for your DD chores.
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03-20-2016, 08:58 AM | #24 |
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http://www.autobild.de/artikel/bmw-m...t-8738517.html
German Autobild tested an MG manual M2 vs the new 991.2 Carrera(3.0 biturbo) PDK. On Contidrom the Porsche was 2 sec faster (1:32 something) So that seems a lot, and it is a lot, but in general the M2 can easily stay with the 991. They find it THE bargain for the buck. Because the Porsche is almost twice as expensive. And the M2 weighs 80kgs more and it wasn't a DCT which could have shaved of one second probably(?) Anyway, I'm not a normal 991 guy, GT3RS or something is fine thank you. Having testdriven a 997S(quality etc) I did not find it great through the bends, there was that speedboat kind of understeer initially what is typical 911 behavior with nothing upfront and an engine in the back. I knew that(I als drove a handful of older 911s through the years) The OP's car looks nice, but the car in that test in white, I don't like the profile sorry. I won't say it's outdated already. Then that should have been already when it was first constructed in '63 with that engine in a weird place j/k And I know the traction and brakepressure benefits of that 'design' in racing. No offence to the '911' in general, it's an icon for many. So 80kgs more weight, >50k euros less expensive and a manual vs PDK... I think the M2 did more than fine. Cheers Robin |
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But like I said prior with the new 991.2's coming out I get a feeling we will see a drop in 991.1 values IF there's considerable uptake in the new version. If there isn't considerable uptake due to its now inflated MSRP ($10k on all 911 variants) then they should hold. If the 991S is your weekend car then by all means it trumps the M2 in all categories. If its your daily and you need practicality then I feel the 991 is 40-50% over valued compared to the M2. I just sold my 2013 991S with 33,000kms and pocketed a $30k difference over the M2 which is brand new. |
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Based on the OP very thorough analysis, if you're comfortable buying used I would definitely chose a 991 911 for this :
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I don't understand nevertheless (or rather, in the context, I quite do ) why someone looking for a driver's car, who could afford a 911 for what it is and really knows how to drive one would chose a M2. I would bemused look forward for a McLaren/Pagani/etc. vs. M2 topic only to read the ''objective'' opinions of some of the M2 fanboys |
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Except for the fact that there are many 911 owners that * also * own an 1M. Once you start talking about being able to afford a 911 and buying an M2 you are generally talking about someone who is fairly wealthy and likely has multiple vehicles. I bet more than a few 911 owners will also have an M2. I already know of a couple of people that plan to have a Cayman Gt4 and an M2. |
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I can afford a (slightly used) 991 but for me as a trackday and driftday kind of guy(6-8 times per year) I prefer the FR layout of M cars(and having driven a handful old and new 911s also a 964RS...) I just like the FR layout better.
Topspeed/laptimes I know I know, but fun and balance cannot be measured in numbers AND I'd choose a Cayman GTS over a 'base' 991 anytime, let alone Cayman GT4. GT3(RS) is a different story. Just my 2 € cents And dont get me wrong, Porsche as a brand is ICONIC, the 911 just isn't my kind of car as a 'base' model...I almost bought a 997S in 2008 but chose the M3 E90 for its practicality(2 younger kids back then) GT3RS bring it on! So for me an M2 is absolutely 100 % the better trackcar vs a '991' because of its balance and layout... Cheers Robin |
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For stowing Hockey gear, groceries, whatever...
997.2 TARGA 4S. That hatch is amazing and makes life easy. It's heavy, usually PDK and NOT a trackable car at all but for a person with your needs, perfect. And Rare.(ish) |
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I agree, subject to the condition that you mean "timeless" when you wrote "out dated".
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No question about Porsche being a great, i.c. top brand. Yes I can afford a GT4, a GT3, also Ferrari if I wanted, but I do not, those cars can not be sane driven in my country. Also bigger ain`t always better, more HP isn`t always better, more expensive is not always better. (most people however do not support those statements) That is why I did choose the Cayman instead of a 991-911, that is why I chose the M2 instead the M4. |
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IMHO............... FYI; 1 I`m not a track lover 2 The choice to change from DCT to 6MT I`ve explained already, the 7K ARE NO ISSUE TO ME |
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I don't even open my sunroof and never took the top off my C6, I don't need 4wd and I already have a PDK 997.2 GTS, I would keep it if it were the three pedal version. Last edited by sgrinavi; 03-21-2016 at 12:51 PM.. |
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It looks....wait for it....like a 911. not outdated at all.... To the OP, the M2 is more of a value proposition - if you are looking at it in that light, it could be a good choice. I would keep the 991, but that's just me.
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This is identical to my brother's car (Carmine Red 991 GTS, manual). It is a STUNNING car in person, especially in the sun when Carmine Red really pops. Following his 911 GTS in an LBB M2 will be like a Macy's parade in terms of the amount of attention these two cars will get, lol! (BTW, my brother does not have kids, so back seats and extra trunk space were not a primary concern).
My brother usually goes for more subdued colors to avoid attention, but I convinced him to get the Carmine Red. He loves it! If I had to choose an M2 or my brother's car (think it is a 2015)... I would 100% go with his car. But I am also excited to see what the M2 offers and love the way it looks as well. In fact, I am getting more fond of the M2's looks every new pic I see. The rear bumper would be my least favorite thing, but overall, the car especially with a few carbon parts and mods is going to be beautiful. The comparison to an M2 is probably unfair since his GTS is superior in almost every conceivable performance measure and more than twice the price. Although since it is NA 6 cyl vs turbo 6 cyl, the M2 will have that lower end torque to contend with. I can only imagine how fast the 991.2 GTS will be with its turbo 6. That thing is going to be really fast... This leads to what is great about the M2. Although we still are waiting for more real world experiences (not just by car magazines), the M2 should hopefully be that car many value-minded enthusiasts are looking for. Everyone is praising the price point, and if the M2 delivers (as we will find out soon as Bimmerpost owner reviews trickle in), then BMW has another gem on their hands. One thing for sure, there are few cars on the road that garner the respect like an M BMW or an GTS Porsche. Last edited by csbear; 03-21-2016 at 06:59 PM.. |
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You could have a whole fleet of orange pinto station wagons for the price of either car. Something to think about. Ya, my GTS is a 997.2 - I would keep it if it had a third pedal, I'm just not a fan of the PDK for daily driving chores, the thing is a bitch to get in and out of with the gt2 style sport seats, it doesn't have any creature comfort options (I'm old and I like them) and, finally, damn thing is black on black which is very hard to keep looking good in Florida. |
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