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      09-13-2019, 09:05 AM   #89
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I think that's pretty optimistic thinking to believe "Austin will be covered by 5Gin 2-3 years".
5G's higher frequency waves can't penetrate buildings, trees, walls, etc. From what I've seen, the carriers are going to have to put 5G cell towers almost 1 per every block or two for adequate coverage. Even then it's still almost like satellite where you almost need direct line of sight to the cell tower as any interference with objects and you'll likely be getting not much better than 4G speeds or you'll simply lose the signal and drop down to 4G.
Finally, someone who is actually following what 5G can and cannot do.

Folk today 5G is a pipe dream.
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      09-13-2019, 09:11 AM   #90
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Ah I see, my example also doesn't account for things like applecare since I dont get it anyway.

I believe the monthly may actually include Applecare if you buy from Apple? This method obviously varies and may not be for everyone, however over the years it's what I've used to get into new phones at the lowest cost long term. Now I use the same method to upgrade my wife and its saving us quite a bit of money while allowing us to have new shiny things.

Another thing to mention is, you're basically forced to upgrade each year using this method because if you wait too long you wont get the value out of your old device.
No - I think you may be confused as to some of the programs available. You can (as I described) simply buy the phone with a monthly payment that works out to 1/24th of the buy price over 24 months - so no interest, but you do pay any state taxes up front. Apple Care is not included.

Then there's the Apple iPhone Upgrade Program. This may be the one you're thinking of, and yes it works out fairly expensive I think, but does include Apple Care as you mentioned. For the iPhone 11 Pro 512GB it's $64.50 a month, so $774 a year. But after 12 payments (when the 11S Pro comes out in 12 months) you can take yours back and just get a new one and keep paying. You can basically get a new one every 12 months. Given the buy price of that phone is $1349 and you pay $774 over 12 months (I'm ignoring Apple Care as I don't know the cost), that means next year when you upgrade they're giving you about a $575 trade-in on your next one. But yes - if you don't trade in and you just keep it, I'm not sure there's an end to the $774 a year, so that would be a bad choice if you didn't plan to upgrade every year.
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      09-13-2019, 09:31 AM   #91
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No - I think you may be confused as to some of the programs available. You can (as I described) simply buy the phone with a monthly payment that works out to 1/24th of the buy price over 24 months - so no interest, but you do pay any state taxes up front. Apple Care is not included.

Then there's the Apple iPhone Upgrade Program. This may be the one you're thinking of, and yes it works out fairly expensive I think, but does include Apple Care as you mentioned. For the iPhone 11 Pro 512GB it's $64.50 a month, so $774 a year. But after 12 payments (when the 11S Pro comes out in 12 months) you can take yours back and just get a new one and keep paying. You can basically get a new one every 12 months. Given the buy price of that phone is $1349 and you pay $774 over 12 months (I'm ignoring Apple Care as I don't know the cost), that means next year when you upgrade they're giving you about a $575 trade-in on your next one. But yes - if you don't trade in and you just keep it, I'm not sure there's an end to the $774 a year, so that would be a bad choice if you didn't plan to upgrade every year.
There are 3 ways to purchase an iPhone from Apple.

1. Buy the iPhone and pay lump sum. Optionally, purchase AppleCare and pay lump sum or monthly.

2. Apple Payment Plan. Pay first monthly payment + taxes then another 23 monthly payments. If you choose, you can later pay off the remaining balance. Optionally, purchase AppleCare and pay lump sum or monthly.

If you have an Employee Purchase Plan through work 1 & 2 you can save a few $ (~10% of the $199) on the AppleCare, not the iPhone.

3. Apple iPhone Upgrade Program. Same as #2 except AppleCare "purchase" is mandatory, monthly payments include iPhone and AppleCare payments. If you upgrade yearly the advantage is that your "loan" and AppleCare terminate and you resume w/the new iPhone and new AppleCare. Basically, it's like a lease where Apple agrees to purchase your previous phone at 50% of the original value. If you don't upgrade then payments are the same as #2 but w/AppleCare.

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There are 3 programs.

1. Buy the iPhone and pay lump sum. Optionally, purchase AppleCare and pay lump sum or monthly.

2. Apple Payment Plan. Pay first monthly payment + taxes then another 23 monthly payments. If you choose, you can later pay off the remaining balance. Optionally, purchase AppleCare and pay lump sum or monthly.

If you have an Employee Purchase Plan b/c of the company you work at 1 & 2 can save you a few $ on the AppleCare, not the iPhone.

3. Apple iPhone Upgrade Program. Same as #2 except AppleCare "purchase" is mandatory, monthly payments include iPhone and AppleCare payments. If you upgrade yearly the advantage is that your "loan" and AppleCare terminate and you resume w/the new phone. Basically, it's like a lease where Apple agrees to purchase your previous phone at 50% of the original value.
I wasn't considering #1 a program - that to me is just a purchase plain and simple.
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I wasn't considering #1 a program - that to me is just a purchase plain and simple.
Fair enough. Corrected post. Thanks.
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My one friend seems to have a problem with FaceID. I loved it. I could never get TouchID to work first try. As for your cousin's sister opening the phone, I call BS. Have your cousin's sister face your sister, if she is shoulder surfing to see if it will work then the phone will open. I thought the same w/my kids until, I complete removed myself from the sensors.
You can call BS all you want, I have seen it first hand and have nothing to prove haha. I couldn't believe it either. They even showed me only one face registered. But I definitely understand your skepticism, I realize it comes off as he said she said. But my overall point was just to have options for unlocking the phone with touch ID.
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I ordered my 11 Pro this morning. I have a 7 from 3 years ago. It was great for almost all of those 3 years, but just in the past 8 weeks or so the battery is starting to go wonky and I am just generally ready for a new phone. I used to upgrade to the new phone every 2 years, feel proud of myself for waiting 3 years this time lol
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I ordered my 11 Pro this morning. I have a 7 from 3 years ago. It was great for almost all of those 3 years, but just in the past 8 weeks or so the battery is starting to go wonky and I am just generally ready for a new phone. I used to upgrade to the new phone every 2 years, feel proud of myself for waiting 3 years this time lol
same here..LOL
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I'm still fine with my 8+. My son has my old 7, my daughter has a 7+, and my wife is running an 8 ... we're all fine with our phones at this point. Looks like we'll skip the 10/11 generation and see what they announce next year, unless a phone dies...
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I write iPhone software. I have to test on the latest chipsets for my own piece of mind. Plus to be honest, I like them so it's a good excuse. I'm very happy with my iPhone.

But I'm no Apple Fanboi by any stretch. I write software for the iPhone using Xamarin on Windows, because I seriously hate Mac OS with a passion. I would rather edit a file in Windows check it in to source control check it out on the Mac and then see if it compiles than work on the Mac.
Oh - and I should add - the eSim is a HUGE bonus for me, but this was in my XS as well. I went to NZ, bought a local SIM, slapped it in, and I could contact my NZ friends and family on that, plus have data while roaming around NZ, and yet still be in touch with my US friends. That "dual SIM" feature is huge for me.
I am curious how this dual sim works, I heard about it on the last iPhone refresh. So you have a digital esim and one on a card? How do you switch back and forth?
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I am curious how this dual sim works, I heard about it on the last iPhone refresh. So you have a digital esim and one on a card? How do you switch back and forth?
You can set one as the default, so while in NZ I set the NZ one to default. You can also set a default for data, and you can turn data roaming off (you could anyway) so you don't use the wrong one accidentally. You will however still be made to bend over and take it up the tailpipe for any text messages - I got charged a bit over $0.50 per message through AT&T while in NZ, however I believe that is more so the NZ carriers raping AT&T.

Each contact is your list is tied to one or other sim - so if I were to try call my CEO, it would go out through the US eSIM. But calling friends in NZ, it went out through the NZ SIM. I've also noticed a sim selection in the phone app, so when dialing a number you can choose which sim to use.
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You can set one as the default, so while in NZ I set the NZ one to default. You can also set a default for data, and you can turn data roaming off (you could anyway) so you don't use the wrong one accidentally. You will however still be made to bend over and take it up the tailpipe for any text messages - I got charged a bit over $0.50 per message through AT&T while in NZ, however I believe that is more so the NZ carriers raping AT&T.

Each contact is your list is tied to one or other sim - so if I were to try call my CEO, it would go out through the US eSIM. But calling friends in NZ, it went out through the NZ SIM. I've also noticed a sim selection in the phone app, so when dialing a number you can choose which sim to use.
<--- shocked.. Wow I had no idea you could do that. This is some pretty amazing shit.
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