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EVO: M2 CS vs M3 CSL vs M3 E30
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12-20-2022, 09:29 AM | #2 |
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This one is a tough one.
The CSL looks the best to me but SMG is not what I would pick for e46. The e30 is the classic and will forever always be. CS probably by far the fastest. Really though, can't go wrong with any of them. This is much tougher than if they put the M4 CSL there or something along those lines where would be easier to pick but the M2 CS is a damn good car that it can hand with 2 legendary cars. |
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12-20-2022, 10:14 AM | #3 |
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I feel they put more time into the M3 CSL:
- different bumper - different cams - new intake manifold - fixed carbon buck seats - carbon doors - side airbag deletion - major weight savings ~ 200 pounds M2 CS - same engine as comp, no hardware change, just tune - roughly same weight as the comp - same bumpers - interior is same, seats get some cutouts. no fixed bucket option
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if they gave the M2cs a 150-200 pound weight saving, different turbos, or larger displacement i might have reconsidered.
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I think it's understandable when people that haven't spent much (or any) time behind the wheel of a CS don't think it's worth the money over the Comp. If you never get to experience the car, the only thing you have to compare is specs on paper with no way of feeling how all the changes and tweaks add up to create a different driving experience than can easily be felt. I don't think BMW aims for CS models to be looked at as the trim with the most bang for buck. However, they are limited in numbers thus have a chance at holding their value better than Comps.
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12-20-2022, 03:17 PM | #8 |
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Here we go again with the CS is so much better than the comp.
Like no shit. Its like yall want a pat in the back for your purchase. Of course the car is better, has more power, suspensive is better, that alone is enough to make a car better. The CS is fantastic, everyone knows this. However not everyone wanted to pay the extra premium and some want to track their cars and for the extra $20k you can make the comp a much better track car than the CS. |
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12-20-2022, 03:49 PM | #9 |
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The nice thing often forgotten about the CS is that's a non-depreciating asset (if not appreciating over the long term) so it's actually more affordable than the Comp. If I was going to build a track rat though I would go for the Comp as I feel the CS's shouldn't be too molested.
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As an example, the G87 is going to be priced very close to the CS - in many ways, it may even be a better car (statistically speaking), but I know which one I'd take in a heartbeat.
Things are often not what they seem - if it is weight-saving you want, get a CS in 6MT and add CCB - then watch the car fly. If it is tracking that excites you, then take it to the track or even get a CS-Racing which is even lighter and nimbler. And if you want proof the CS is way better than the Comp, ask which one won the EVO PCOTY. I would go so far as saying, I'd have paid even more for it than I did if I had to, because this car is a unicorn in my book.
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I had two propane tanks, a box of diapers and wipes along with other items on my trip to and from Costco today with my son and mother. This car is nuts.
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12-21-2022, 05:03 AM | #13 |
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If we’re talking strictly MSRP numbers, the CS is undoubtedly worth the $20k premium, at least in my opinion. Mainly because the CS is certainly more unique and carries a presence with it that the Comp just doesn’t have. As a Comp or OG owner, spend some real time around/in a CS and you’ll know what I mean. Or don’t and save yourself the anguish.
I liken it to when I had my RS5. I was around plenty of tuned ‘S’ models that always tried (and failed) to replicate the RS factory presence. The car either has it or it doesn’t. No amount of $$$ spent on aftermarket parts or performance tuning is going to solve that. The CS vs Comp is no different. Quote:
When I was shopping last year, the price gap from Comp to CS (w/sub-8k miles) was over $40k. That was simply unjustifiable to me and is the only reason why I don’t have a CS sitting in my garage right now. However, with CS prices finally coming back down near MSRP numbers in recent weeks, I can see myself making the switch at some point. That said, there is something refreshing about going with the lower-tier spec this time around, which is something I don’t typically do. And that’s having less concern about keeping it 100% immaculate and pristine and avoiding mods that may diminish the value. I’m definitely having more fun modding/enjoying the Comp than I would if I had a CS. So something to consider there, as well, I suppose.
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Right? Every time I price out a new low-mid tier 911, it immediately shoots to silly pricing. And when you take a step back and look at what it truly offers, compared to something like a CS (or even a Comp), it really makes it a difficult value proposition. Despite that, I do plan to have a Carrera T, S or GTS in the garage at some point.
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Many years ago, I tried to justify the cost of a new 911 C4S by telling myself that since it was 4 wheel drive, I could drive it year round and make it my daily. You definitely could, they're great in the snow, but the height of the car restricts just how much snow you can actually traverse. I've owned 4 AWD 911's, including a Turbo. Any car guy must own a 911 at least once in their lifetime, IMO. I bought the CS after a lifetime of 911's for a number of reasons, but I still have an old 911 in the garage. Almost all of my cars could go, but that old 911 and the Landcruiser are there to stay. Sorry BMW guys.
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For me it was easy, I wanted a 6MT and I was a fan of the 1M, but the M2 never really did much for me. I've grown to really respect the M2 Comp, as never drove one until after pickimg up my CS. But the Misano/Gold combo, CFRP hood, alcantara/CF touches inside and the collectibility (and value proposition) sealed it for me. The fact that it drives marginally better than the Comp helps. I wouldnt hesitate to buy an F87 Comp as an addition to the garage, it just needs the 763 wheels. I'll never track the CS, but i give it a good thrash on empty roads when the opportunity presents itself. Kind of back on topic, if I win the lotto or get a huge payday, I'm adding an E30 M3 and E36 M3 LTW to the stable. I dont think I'd want the E46 CSL with SMG, but I'd drive one to find out. |
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I thought about it through the whole article as well and "maybe" I'd take the E30. The issue for me is for as charming as the old cars are, they are still old. They aren't as capable, they aren't as safe, they aren't as reliable etc. I find I gravitate to newer things even when I have had the chance to really enjoy and engage with some beautiful examples of older cars. So for me I'd probably be the CS... and then later whatever new thing finally joins this class of 3. That's not saying anything bad about the other 2, it's just what I've learned about how I end up relating to the experiences I've had. It's more like "nice place to visit, but wouldn't want to live there" - would happily rent/drive any friends car like that any time I could just to get a "hit" of it, but wouldn't want to waste garage space on it for myself.
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