[ryem3]

Congrats in getting the M2CS allocation. Don't drive a 991 in the meantime. While they are common, a BMW can't hold a candle to a Porsche manual. Get the Porsche soon, before manuals become extinct. Porsche makes a much better car, hence the considerable difference in price. The retail price on that car was 50% more than the M2CS. I'm getting one too and I really hate buying new, you just get killed on the depreciation. I think it will be fun though and will definitely be the hit at car shows, if we ever have any again!

[jlee]

Originally Posted by ryem3

Congrats in getting the M2CS allocation. Don't drive a 991 in the meantime. While they are common, a BMW can't hold a candle to a Porsche manual. Get the Porsche soon, before manuals become extinct. Porsche makes a much better car, hence the considerable difference in price. The retail price on that car was 50% more than the M2CS. I'm getting one too and I really hate buying new, you just get killed on the depreciation. I think it will be fun though and will definitely be the hit at car shows, if we ever have any again!

agreed, a 911 T would be a great car. No one should be picking a new M2CS over that..

[6speed_M2]

If it's the twin turbo I'd take the Porsche without question, no doubt. On the spot.

[Acetech]

Why don't you P car worshippers go get that near god status P car already and stop slumming it with us BMW losers.

[TargaM2]

Originally Posted by Acetech

Why don't you P car worshippers go get that near god status P car already and stop slumming it with us BMW losers.

Hang on a minute, the OP is deciding between purchasing a 911 & a CS so is asking for opinions.
So if someone says they'd take the Porsche as I would (I own an M2 btw along with an Audi, an RS Renault, & an AMG) that apparently upsets the fanboys too much. Whether tongue in cheek or not that's just pathetic.
I've never understood brand loyalty for any brand, it limits your choices & experiences so much that it's self defeating. All brands go in cycles of producing both good & bad products. But I guess if you have zero car knowledge & rely on a badge to tell you what to purchase that's your only choice.

[Acetech]

It's pathetic to drive a BMW and constantly talk about how much better a P car is, how you can't even compare the two, how the shifter on a P car is soooo much better than a BMW. Total nonsense.
I drive them both regularly and I've never been like wow this Porsche shifter is so much better than a BMW you can't even compare.
It's not about brand loyalty it's about accurate assessment of different cars, they all have 4 tires and a steering wheel, they are all comparable.

[TargaM2]

Originally Posted by Acetech

It's pathetic to drive a BMW and constantly talk about how much better a P car is, how you can't even compare the two, how the shifter on a P car is soooo much better than a BMW. Total nonsense.
I drive them both regularly and I've never been like wow this Porsche shifter is so much better than a BMW you can't even compare.

Big deal, plenty of others on here drive both & own both, that doesn't mean your opinion is right & theirs is wrong. Sorry but you Fanboys that can't have anything said against a particular brand really need to get a grasp. It's just a bloody car & it doesn't have to be the best. I've owned plenty of good stuff & none are perfect, there are always others developing something better thus you move on & try something else. At the moment I'm looking at both the Alpine A110 & the GR4 Yaris, is that not allowed on here because they're not a bloody BMW. Sorry but if there is any badge snobbery going on here it's not the Porsche guys your complaining about it's you.

[Davil]

I much prefer the CS over the 911. But apparently that makes you a "fan boy". Shame we aren't allowed to have personal tastes.

Lots of good posts from Mystro on this topic. A long time Porsche owner he has an M2c and greatly prefers it to 911. He has quite a few posts in the M2C section.

[Acetech]

Why am I a fanboy?
What makes you the judge here?

[TargaM2]

Originally Posted by Acetech

Why am I a fanboy?
What makes you the judge here?

Sorry but go back & read your own posts, if anyone is judging anyone here it's you judging the guys that said they prefer the Porsche, which is entirely valid & what the OP actually asked.

[Acetech]

You can prefer the Porsche you can prefer the Lotus just don't make glorious inaccurate statements or someone might step in and call bullshit

[TargaM2]

Originally Posted by Acetech

You can prefer the Porsche you can prefer the Lotus just don't make glorious inaccurate statements or someone might step in and call bullshit

That's fair enough & I agree with you but does that not also apply to those who prefer a BMW, because I see plenty of somewhat questionable statements being bandied around on here without it being called bullshit.

[jlee]

Originally Posted by TargaM2

Hang on a minute, the OP is deciding between purchasing a 911 & a CS so is asking for opinions.
So if someone says they'd take the Porsche as I would (I own an M2 btw along with an Audi, an RS Renault, & an AMG) that apparently upsets the fanboys too much. Whether tongue in cheek or not that's just pathetic.
I've never understood brand loyalty for any brand, it limits your choices & experiences so much that it's self defeating. All brands go in cycles of producing both good & bad products. But I guess if you have zero car knowledge & rely on a badge to tell you what to purchase that's your only choice.

Exactly. Comparing the two cars, I’m sorry but a 991.2 911 would still win. I had a M3CS. Loved it, there is no P car to compare it with. So nothing to do with brand loyalty.

[Bimmed Out]

I've owned nearly 20 Porsches, all 911's/GT3's except for one GT4. They are great cars, but I seem to always find myself coming back to an ///M. Undeniably, 911's are huge now, much like current ///M3's. And the styling has gone downhill (the 992 styling is unappealing, to put it politely), much like the G series M3/M4. This is partly why I had to get an ///M2 CS. It's the best ///M2 and will always be the first-ever ///M2 CS. It's the rights size (the size we all wish the M3 remained at) and the aesthetics are off the charts -- dare I say, it looks like a work of art. If you want a 911, just go buy one. They are a dime a dozen with endless good examples on the used market. If you want a new 992, I can't advise you because, as an old-school 911 enthusiast, the styling hurts my eyes and the size hurts my soul.

[jlee]

Originally Posted by kepler

I've owned nearly 20 Porsches, all 911's/GT3's except for one GT4. They are great cars, but I seem to always find myself coming back to an ///M. Undeniably, 911's are huge now, much like current ///M3's. And the styling has gone downhill (the 992 styling is unappealing, to put it politely), much like the G series M3/M4. This is partly why I had to get an ///M2 CS. It's the best ///M2 and will always be the first-ever ///M2 CS. It's the rights size (the size we all wish the M3 remained at) and the aesthetics are off the charts -- dare I say, it looks like a work of art. If you want a 911, just go buy one. They are a dime a dozen with endless good examples on the used market. If you want a new 992, I can't advise you because, as an old-school 911 enthusiast, the styling hurts my eyes and the size hurts my soul.

haha here we go. I agree, I'm in the same boat. I've had nearly all the GT cars and Turbos etc. and I think the best word to describe why we come back is nostalgia. most of us started with the Ms. They have a certain feeling of when I was 20 something hopping into my first E36 M3.

The OP opened this thread asking which to pick. I'm down to a Targa GTS now and love it, just drove it this morning to inspect my M2CS which I drove a couple of miles before leaving it for the PPF shop. If you are picking a car to spend your $$ and you can only pick one or the other, you pick the 911. Its fits like a glove, the engine is incredible, the PDK is out of this world. The handling is spot on. It feels like a small sports car. I hopped in the M2 CS. For 3 miles and I couldn't really have any fun with 40 miles on it, it brought me back to my E36 M3. Feels bigger, manual tranny shifts kinda the same, you gotta work it a bit to have some fun but that work is why I got it. Its more comfy than my 911.

so don't mean to come off snooty but a lot of us are coming at it from different points in life. I'm going back and bought a car to remind me where I started. Some are starting and are working their way up. Its all fun!

I agree, the 991.2 is my keeper Porsche, the design of the 992 isn't for me, the front bumper has a gaping wide mouth but a great wide stance too, the rear looks too futuristic but is sexy. What I really can't do is no buttons. Relying on iPads to operate a car is way too complicated. That all said I'm on the list for a GT3 and won't say no when my name comes up..

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by Acetech

It's pathetic to drive a BMW and constantly talk about how much better a P car is, how you can't even compare the two, how the shifter on a P car is soooo much better than a BMW. Total nonsense.
I drive them both regularly and I've never been like wow this Porsche shifter is so much better than a BMW you can't even compare.
It's not about brand loyalty it's about accurate assessment of different cars, they all have 4 tires and a steering wheel, they are all comparable.

Do you work for BMW?

Porsche and BMW are my favorite brands but there have been times I’ve thought the clutch engagement and gearbox were vastly better than any of my M cars. Bolt action and precise vs what I would deem as rubbery and vague in the M cars. That’s just my assessment but I think it’s quite accurate and seems to be universally shared. When I looked at the M3 and M4 CS cars, they just didn’t feel special at all and my guess is the M2CS will follow suit. I won’t go into the other factors as I’m not going to fuel this more but they both make good cars. I don’t think anyone makes a better all around performance car that feels as special as Porsche - my GT4 feels alive and special in a way nothing short of a special edition Ferrari can match for me.

[///M2CS]

Originally Posted by kepler

I've owned nearly 20 Porsches, all 911's/GT3's except for one GT4. They are great cars, but I seem to always find myself coming back to an ///M. Undeniably, 911's are huge now, much like current ///M3's. And the styling has gone downhill (the 992 styling is unappealing, to put it politely), much like the G series M3/M4. This is partly why I had to get an ///M2 CS. It's the best ///M2 and will always be the first-ever ///M2 CS. It's the rights size (the size we all wish the M3 remained at) and the aesthetics are off the charts -- dare I say, it looks like a work of art. If you want a 911, just go buy one. They are a dime a dozen with endless good examples on the used market. If you want a new 992, I can't advise you because, as an old-school 911 enthusiast, the styling hurts my eyes and the size hurts my soul.

I agree and have owned several GT3s
The M2 CS is truly an exceptional car
As for Porsches, since owning a Speciale and a Pista I feel they are much less desirable

[///M2CS]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

Do you work for BMW?

Porsche and BMW are my favorite brands but there have been times I’ve thought the clutch engagement and gearbox were vastly better than any of my M cars. Bolt action and precise vs what I would deem as rubbery and vague in the M cars. That’s just my assessment but I think it’s quite accurate and seems to be universally shared. When I looked at the M3 and M4 CS cars, they just didn’t feel special at all and my guess is the M2CS will follow suit. I won’t go into the other factors as I’m not going to fuel this more but they both make good cars. I don’t think anyone makes a better all around performance car that feels as special as Porsche - my GT4 feels alive and special in a way nothing short of a special edition Ferrari can match for me.

a special edition Ferrari is on a whole different level from a GT4

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by ///M2CS

a special edition Ferrari is on a whole different level from a GT4

Yes, certainly. My point was more that I have driven Scuderias and Speciales and those are the only Ferraris that really wowed me. A good friend has had a Cali, Cali T, 458, and those didn’t do it for me. In fact after driving my GT4 he is looking to sell his 458 for one.

I’ve not driven an M2CS but passed on my allocation given I just couldn’t get behind the M3 and 4 CS models. I fear it’s much of the same and think BMW limited it so much because of how terribly the M3 and M4 sold (or didn’t sell).

[///M2CS]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

Yes, certainly. My point was more that I have driven Scuderias and Speciales and those are the only Ferraris that really wowed me. A good friend has had a Cali, Cali T, 458, and those didn’t do it for me. In fact after driving my GT4 he is looking to sell his 458 for one.

I’ve not driven an M2CS but passed on my allocation given I just couldn’t get behind the M3 and 4 CS models. I fear it’s much of the same and think BMW limited it so much because of how terribly the M3 and M4 sold (or didn’t sell).

I didn't like the 458 Italia which I find imperfect which I sold to order my Speciale
what bothers me about the GT4 is the too short wheelbase, the lack of aerodynamic downforce and the limited power of the flat 6

[///M2CS]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

I’ve not driven an M2CS but passed on my allocation given I just couldn’t get behind the M3 and 4 CS models. I fear it’s much of the same and think BMW limited it so much because of how terribly the M3 and M4 sold (or didn’t sell).

the m2 CS is not perfect but it is homogeneous and gives a lot of driving pleasure it puts a smile on your face and this is rare

[medphysdave]

OP,. I felt that there are a couple unique informative take aways from this thread. A member discusses his enthusiasm for his Targa. By most accounts this is not considered the p-car to have based upon paper performance. However, it's drop dead gorgeous and one of my favorites. This member picked based upon his passion and that is what needs to fuel your choice. The reality is that you aren't down to poor choices. Either will be great is long as you cater to your own desires. Don't pick based upon the desires of others. The choice now doesn't have to be permanent if you change your mind.

Edit: I just connected the dots that you already made the choice.