[aerokubectl]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

Can't tell if you are trolling....

This is probably, and I am pretty sure I say this with a 100% confidence, the most factually false thing I have read on the entire internet. Ever.

I said "pretty sure". Lol your bar for the internet is high AF

[EthanEJC]

Originally Posted by TemjinX2

i agree this isn't a m2 competitor which is a rwd with a 6spd manual...maybe only in price.

This A45 with the fwd-awd is more of a audi rs3, audi ttrs, golf r , civic type R competitor.

From what I've heard the new A45s is actually RWD bias.

[heavyD^2]

If it's in the same price range and it's a performance oriented car of similar dimensions I feel it's always something that's going to get cross shopped to an extent. I cross shopped the M2 with the RS-3 and AMG CLA-45. If in the market again I would consider this car when looking at an M2C. While it won't handle as well it's going to be as fast or faster in a straight line and the interior is stunning at this price point. It's regrettable that MB is having similar issues to BMW in thinking everyone loves these large in your face grilles.

[EthanEJC]

Originally Posted by vale007

carwow mat watson thinks it may is an A45AMG-S rival.....

A lot of car pages think the A45s is a M2 Competition rival..

[TemjinX2]

Originally Posted by EthanEJC

From what I've heard the new A45s is actually RWD bias.

unless they changed the way they mount the engine...it'll be transversely mounted same as the last gen...so it'll be fwd first and have a transfer case that moves power to the rear. (golf r, audi rs3). This is one of the reasons the audi rs3 has a reverse stagger.

longtudial mounted engines are the opposite..their rwd first and have a transfer case that moves power to the front. (gtr, audi rs5, m5)


I heard it'll have a drift mode similar to the focus rs but that'll be a occasion thing, i doubt you can lock it in that mode unless their willing to spend the extra money on beefing up the rear diff and transaxel.

[TemjinX2]

Originally Posted by EthanEJC

A lot of car pages think the A45s is a M2 Competition rival..

in terms of price yes...same with people that say the mustang gt350r, camaro zl1 are competitors to the m2.

[VIERsr]

Originally Posted by EthanEJC

From what I've heard the new A45s is actually RWD bias.

Not properly, it's a on demand awd with a "drift" mode, very very similar to the Focus RS. But it's still a front wheel drive based awd.

Originally Posted by TemjinX2

unless they changed the way they mount the engine...it'll be transversely mounted same as the last gen...so it'll be fwd first and have a transfer case that moves power to the rear. (golf r, audi rs3). This is one of the reasons the audi rs3 has a reverse stagger.

longtudial mounted engines are the opposite..their rwd first and have a transfer case that moves power to the front. (gtr, audi rs5, m5)


I heard it'll have a drift mode similar to the focus rs but that'll be a occasion thing, i doubt you can lock it in that mode unless their willing to spend the extra money on beefing up the rear diff and transaxel.

This

[EthanEJC]

Originally Posted by TemjinX2

in terms of price yes...same with people that say the mustang gt350r, camaro zl1 are competitors to the m2.

Not just price

There also comparable by power and use ability as well.

But obviously see driving dynamics are will be different.

[EthanEJC]

Originally Posted by _RS4_

Not properly, it's a on demand awd with a "drift" mode, very very similar to the Focus RS. But it's still a front wheel drive based awd.

This

So in normal driving is awd with a front wheel drive biased? And when it's in drift mode it's rear wheel drive bias?? Which is similar to the RS and not the E63s?

[AD18]

Mercedes isn't usually what I'd look for, I've always enjoyed BMW's more. However, I have to commend them for some of their engineering choices: 8 speed dual clutch, 6 piston brakes etc.

[AndroidRobot]

4 banger is boosted too much for my liking. While a hatch back would be nice, we won't see on stateside. I'd tsk a proper RWD platform car over th FWD based A class even though th AMG ones are AWD. straight 6's are the only way to go for small cars. V8's in the big guys

[VIERsr]

Originally Posted by EthanEJC

So in normal driving is awd with a front wheel drive biased? And when it's in drift mode it's rear wheel drive bias?? Which is similar to the RS and not the E63s?

Exactly, the front axle can never be disconnected, unlike the E63S/M5 which are real RWD in drift/2WD mode with no power on the front axle.
You can clearly see the smoke from the front wheels.

Nice toy anyway

[Flange]

Not for me.
Still seems to have the farty upshifts, like Grandpa after a Vindaloo when he can’t control what comes out of his hoop.
Bloody awful.

[Artemis]

To me it's always a good thing when the competition releases something interesting. Reminds BMW not to take things for granted.

And regardless of the car's capabilities, the competition shows that a dark silver/grey body color still rocks.

[TemjinX2]

its one of the reasons i got the m2 in 6spd. i have a feeling BMW is going to make the next gen M2 based on the new fwd 135i platform and make it fwd-awd drive to be a true rs3 / a45 competitor and save money. Maybe not offer a manual to save costs. From a business stand point i can see that happening..since most people who buy these cars new dont care if its fwd or rwd bias awd.

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by AndroidRobot

4 banger is boosted too much for my liking. While a hatch back would be nice, we won't see on stateside. I'd tsk a proper RWD platform car over th FWD based A class even though th AMG ones are AWD. straight 6's are the only way to go for small cars. V8's in the big guys

X2..... MB is using a mouse motor again and their direction isnt focused. Their performance stats lately haven't been good unlike BMW that underrates their performance specs. In this category you go Cayman GT4 for a two seater, RS3 for a sedan and the M2C for the best of both worlds. You cant beat the rwd and chassis setup of the M2C. IMO these magazine comparisons are crap and to justify their jobs. If you dont understand what the M2C is and how pure its focus is above all the others then I would rather you not buy one as you will never get what its about. Go buy a friggen Hellcat for the same money.

[AndroidRobot]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

X2..... MB is using a mouse motor again and their direction isnt focused. Their performance stats lately haven't been good unlike BMW that underrates their performance specs. In this category you go Cayman GT4 for a two seater, RS3 for a sedan and the M2C for the best of both worlds. You cant beat the rwd and chassis setup of the M2C. IMO these magazine comparisons are crap and to justify their jobs. If you dont understand what the M2C is and how pure its focus is above all the others then I would rather you not buy one as you will never get what its about. Go buy a friggen Hellcat for the same money.

That's very on point. I'd like to pick one up but I'm not entirely sure if I'll be moving this year or not yet, so for now I'm holding off. The 5cyl from Audi is another really good engine ruined by their FWD/AWD platform. I know RWD platforms like the CLAR are less common these days but if we don't support them we risk losing out to the cheaper FWD garbage for performance vehicles. I have a feeling the M2C will be a classic in due time especially if the next gen doesn't stick to it's roots.

[EthanEJC]

Originally Posted by AndroidRobot

That's very on point. I'd like to pick one up but I'm not entirely sure if I'll be moving this year or not yet, so for now I'm holding off. The 5cyl from Audi is another really good engine ruined by their FWD/AWD platform. I know RWD platforms like the CLAR are less common these days but if we don't support them we risk losing out to the cheaper FWD garbage for performance vehicles. I have a feeling the M2C will be a classic in due time especially if the next gen doesn't stick to it's roots.

Next Gen BMW 2 Series Coupe Will Retain RWD Says BMW Chief Engineer https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1630541

[AndroidRobot]

Originally Posted by EthanEJC

Next Gen BMW 2 Series Coupe Will Retain RWD Says BMW Chief Engineer https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1630541

I know but it may get more techy with screens which is what I was referring to via idrive 7 no more analog dials sadly

[doughboy]

Originally Posted by ssquared

No M2c comes with RFT.

No BMW M car comes with RFT at all. They only use the RFT on the non-M cars.

Thank God.

RFTS are the biggest chunk of heavy, solid, over stiff, bouncy junk I've ever had the misfortune of driving on.

Thankfully M saw the light and never used them

[AndroidRobot]

Originally Posted by doughboy

Thank God.

RFTS are the biggest chunk of heavy, solid, over stiff, bouncy junk I've ever had the misfortune of driving on.

Thankfully M saw the light and never used them

yep, even newer RFTs suck. no BMW should use them or luxury vehicle for that matter

[wknddrivr]

Originally Posted by AndroidRobot

yep, even newer RFTs suck. no BMW should use them or luxury vehicle for that matter

Agreed they’re not great but they’re not unbearable either. In my E90 I got rid of the RFT right away...in my G30 they’re decent enough to leave on till they wear out but they’re definitely negatively affecting the ride quality, handling, and noise levels.