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      10-31-2016, 02:35 PM   #89
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I love watching all the non M2 owners clamoring for the car in any way possible. ANYTHING BUT THE N55!! Even though its vastly different than any one before it..... Jealousy is the sincerest form of flattery and you all reek of it...... REEK!!

The S55 variant will be an expensive car. A B58 variant is probably more likely to happen.

Any way you slice it, the chassis is the best BMW makes right now, and the Parts bin analogy doesn't hold water in my view. Btwn the changes to the gearbox, the engine, and suspension unique to this car, it was a fully developed M product, so much so that it is faster than M4's around tracks. One could argue they needed to ENGINEER the car not to be too much faster than the big brother around a track. Skinnier tires was one sure fire way to do that for instance.

If you dont get all this, then you dont get the M2 for what it is. And if you want an S55 in the car, you now have lost all that is truly great about this car.

Price, sound, balance.

Keep waiting for the 65k S55 variant that sounds like, "someone farted in a Kazoo under water." Thats the best quote i've heard about it. I truly hate the S55 engine and I think it is a horrible power plant choice for this car. Work buddy has an M3 and I rip on him every time we drive to lunch in it.
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      10-31-2016, 02:41 PM   #90
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An S55 replacement would explain why the lease residuals were so shitty on the 16 and 17's.
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... also reveals an M3/M4 exhaust ...
Hopefully it doesn't have that signature M3/4 DustBuster whizziness.
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LOL this guys mad
Really?? Not at all actually, I think im being realistic. I bought the M2 for its balance, like an M car should be. Best one I have driven for sure.

If I want something erratic and brutal, I will go drive my Carrera GT thank you.....

If it gets an S55 I wont care a bit, if my car was worth zero tomorrow, wouldn't phase me one bit. Its a really sweet package and BMW should be really careful on how they change the dynamics of it.
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If it gets an S55 I wont care a bit, if my car was worth zero tomorrow, wouldn't phase me one bit. Its a really sweet package and BMW should be really careful on how they change the dynamics of it.
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      10-31-2016, 03:02 PM   #94
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An S55 replacement would explain why the lease residuals were so shitty on the 16 and 17's.
Any engine replacement would if the N55B30T0 was a stop gap from the very beginning. And it could very well have been. As I said before, a MY18 engine change for base (i.e. to B58 high output) would be an absolute shitshow for MY16/17 customers who had waited a year to buy only to have the change occur 3-6 months after purchase. MY16/17 would instantly depreciate to about what those residuals indicate. Not the end of the world, but a factor that if known would have had many easily waiting just a few more months for a MY18 allocation.
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Isn't the S55 the N55 derived engine?
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well....shit....i'm taking delivery of my 2017 around thanksgiving. hope i don't get buttfucked by whatever the LCI is going to have.

Yep, that's gonna happen.
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I am really new at this speculating thing. But here is what I think. If the M2 is getting the B58, then it's very likely to not be an ordinary B58 (like N55 with some components from S55). I just don't think that BMW is going to do this since the M2 with N55 is receiving such a good review there is no need to invest in another bunch of money to make this change only after 1.5 years. My guess is that there will be a M2 with S55 as a special edition. Anyway I am expecting to take delivery of my M2 in 2 weeks and honestly I am having second thought. I want the new thing but having to wait around another 11 months (Sep 2017) is painful.. I guess eventually I will just get the car and enjoy it for now
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If it is truly the S55, then you are looking at the M2 costing closer to 60k base. Unless the M4 is getting the M4 GTS engine, and the M2 is getting the M4 engine, and everything is getting a substantial price spike. There is no way they are just swapping 1 for 1.
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Just spoke to the general sales manager from my dealership. he just returned from their annual meetings etc. in toronto at BMW canada headquarters. He told me this - The M2 will not be affected by the 2 series LCI with no major changes for 2018. it will receive minor cosmetics like the LED taillights which he used as an example. In 2019 they confirmed there will no longer be an M2. it will become the M2 CSL. What the changes are for the 2019 M2 CSL he has no idea and they haven't released any more info at this time.
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Simple. BMW is dressing up the M2 in an M4 fart can exhaust as a scary Halloween costume!
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No M4 mirrors on this update, forget it I'm out!
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Quite likely they'll release a ZCP edition. But I can't wait any longer been offered a generous deal for a M2 in the UK and delivery by Jan 2017.
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I love watching all the non M2 owners clamoring for the car in any way possible. ANYTHING BUT THE N55!! Even though its vastly different than any one before it..... Jealousy is the sincerest form of flattery and you all reek of it...... REEK!!

The S55 variant will be an expensive car. A B58 variant is probably more likely to happen.

Any way you slice it, the chassis is the best BMW makes right now, and the Parts bin analogy doesn't hold water in my view. Btwn the changes to the gearbox, the engine, and suspension unique to this car, it was a fully developed M product, so much so that it is faster than M4's around tracks. One could argue they needed to ENGINEER the car not to be too much faster than the big brother around a track. Skinnier tires was one sure fire way to do that for instance.

If you dont get all this, then you dont get the M2 for what it is. And if you want an S55 in the car, you now have lost all that is truly great about this car.

Price, sound, balance.

Keep waiting for the 65k S55 variant that sounds like, "someone farted in a Kazoo under water." Thats the best quote i've heard about it. I truly hate the S55 engine and I think it is a horrible power plant choice for this car. Work buddy has an M3 and I rip on him every time we drive to lunch in it.
LOL this guys mad
was just gonna say this guy is way too salty about his m2 depreciating a lot more than expected. For the record, I have a 235i and at least I am not in denial about it tanking in value if this car is legit.
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Does anyone have a video of the mule? It would be telling to listen to the car for sure.

I am not sure that I see an S55 in the base car - some other M2 model, sure - but I would imagine that it would be hard to upgrade the engine and nothing else...
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In 2019 they confirmed there will no longer be an M2. it will become the M2 CSL. What the changes are for the 2019 M2 CSL he has no idea and they haven't released any more info at this time.
This has been mentioned before and is a stone cold lock. Thank you. End thread.
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Probably price increase of at least $300. Economies of scale will not make it more expensive.
I'm curious how you calculated this? Now me personally, I would not know how to calculate it, but I could at least think through some of the things they would have to do...
a) either build an entirely new engine at a plant that would use it in one version of the 2-series (with a very small production#)
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b) ship the engine from the other factory

So there is some cost there (A being much much more expensive - I think). But then we have the actual internals, which are going to cost more as well since I'm pretty sure that engine is more expensive (but like I said, I don't know what BMW knows).

Then we have the modifications that might need to be made to the line to support another engine (I suspect that a lot of things change in terms of swapping in something like that, stuff we don't know about - but I do know that a tour of the SC factory here showed me that they have this stuff figured out and it takes a while to do so.).

Long story short, I think $300 is way low - but I don't know what I don't know, so I'm curious where you came up with the number?
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I love watching all the non M2 owners clamoring for the car in any way possible. ANYTHING BUT THE N55!! Even though its vastly different than any one before it..... Jealousy is the sincerest form of flattery and you all reek of it...... REEK!!

The S55 variant will be an expensive car. A B58 variant is probably more likely to happen.

Any way you slice it, the chassis is the best BMW makes right now, and the Parts bin analogy doesn't hold water in my view. Btwn the changes to the gearbox, the engine, and suspension unique to this car, it was a fully developed M product, so much so that it is faster than M4's around tracks. One could argue they needed to ENGINEER the car not to be too much faster than the big brother around a track. Skinnier tires was one sure fire way to do that for instance.

If you dont get all this, then you dont get the M2 for what it is. And if you want an S55 in the car, you now have lost all that is truly great about this car.

Price, sound, balance.

Keep waiting for the 65k S55 variant that sounds like, "someone farted in a Kazoo under water." Thats the best quote i've heard about it. I truly hate the S55 engine and I think it is a horrible power plant choice for this car. Work buddy has an M3 and I rip on him every time we drive to lunch in it.
LOL this guys mad
He's not mad, we're just jealous
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He's not mad, we're just jealous
We're jealous of his M2 and Carrera GT.
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What would the S55 do to the price?
Probably price increase of at least $300. Economies of scale will not make it more expensive.

Looking fwd to the s55 implementation on the LCI M2. Also, BMW, please bring in Melbourne Red, Valencia Orange, or Sakhir Orange to the M2.
Not sure if serious....ok l will bite $300 ....at least $340 surely
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We're jealous of his M2 and Carrera GT.
If I had a penny for every ounce of salt this guy is dispensing, I'd also have a Carrera GT
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