[sor]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

Fan boys aside...

Can you keep it on topic please or start your own new thread in the M3/4 forum.

Thanks !

Sorry. It's a shame he had to derail the conversation at the beginning of the thread, with such inflammatory and unsubstantiated remarks.

[BQTuning]

Originally Posted by mshab356

Why is the M3/4 embarrassing in your opinion? I think it is a much better all around car than the E9x (I used to own an E92 M3)

It sounds horrible compared to what the previous M3/M4 cars. Non of the M product lines sound as hideous as the new M3/M4 cars. This is has been a major complaint on this car. In order to correct the issue you will have to dump another 3k-5k into the car which. Its just IMO

[YungDro]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

Why not? They make literally every car fucking imaginable. They should be competing across the board in enthusiast/motorsport segments. The M3/4 is embarrassing this generation. The M5/6 is lagging as well. The i8 was a proof of concept. That leaves the M2, which isn't out yet, and they killed the 1. So they need to succeed somewhere, maybe it's in the lightweight roadster category?

Agreed in that the FWD roadster was a catastrophically horrible idea.

guessing uve never driven an M3 M4 M5 or M6.

[ORIGIN M.]

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by YungDro

guessing uve never driven an M3 M4 M5 or M6.

What is funny is you have no idea what the hell he has driven and you are off topic why not ask him why he feels that way instead of spelling shit wrong and posting bs

[Dvivax]

Originally Posted by Echoz

Forget about the Z2, make a new Z4 and bring back the Z4M.

Yes! Yes! Yes!

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

What is funny is you have no idea what the hell he has driven and you are off topic why not ask him why he feels that way instead of spelling shit wrong and posting bs

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

True that. It hard to not post when it\'s been whored out in general.

M3/4 owners are like Yellowjackets one brings them all.

[ORIGIN M.]

This is the design language of the new generation BMW Z-Car. I cannot wait !

[ska///235i]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

Why not? They make literally every car fucking imaginable. They should be competing across the board in enthusiast/motorsport segments. The M3/4 is embarrassing this generation. The M5/6 is lagging as well. The i8 was a proof of concept. That leaves the M2, which isn't out yet, and they killed the 1. So they need to succeed somewhere, maybe it's in the lightweight roadster category?

Agreed in that the FWD roadster was a catastrophically horrible idea.

The M3/4 is embarrasing??? Let me guess, the E9x M was the greatest cuz its got a V8

[Powerslide]

Originally Posted by jaehshim

agreed and disagreed
it's not that F80 is bad, it's that there's GREATER cars than F80 for the money these days.
Honestly, during the E90 M days, it was probably the most ideal sport, trackable sedan/coupe for the money.
GTR was too expensive, Corvette's quality was pretty bad, C63's 7 speed auto was hideous, RS4 was heavier and slower than E9X M3 series etc etc

Now? everyone's looking at the new C63 or a used GTR if going forced induction sports sedan/coupe for the same money.

the jacked up price just doesn't justify F80 being THAT BETTER than E90 in every way. there's better cars for same money

Name one better car with four seats in the same price range at the same or better performance level... [Hint - not your E90....]...

[Powerslide]

Originally Posted by Powerslide

Name one better car with four seats in the same price range at the same or better performance level... [Hint - not your E90....]...

And BTW - the F8x generation is barely more expensive than the E9x generation, and will run circles around it [sorry E9x owners - I loved mine, but the F8x is unquestionably better in every way, unless you want to count sound - and I actually think F8x is just as good but in a different way]...

[Powerslide]

While I still think the E9x genreration was a great car (and still is) - I can't stand hearing people who have little or no time in the F8x generation trashing it - not sure if it's people who are bitter or who can't get into the new generation right now - but trashing the F8x is a joke. Objectively it's a joke to trash it:

Lap Times (11)
Track M3 M4
Nordschleife 8:05.00 7:52.00
Tsukuba 1:05.70 1:04.80
Hockenheim Short 1:14.30 1:12.80
Laguna Seca (post 1988) 1:42.96 1:39.69
Autozeitung test track 1:40.10 1:38.90
Contidrom 1:35.11 1:34.41
Willow Springs - Streets of Willow 1:27.67 1:23.73
Sachsenring 1:40.90 1:37.74
Autocar Wet Handling Track 1:16.90 1:25.70
Circuit de Nevers Magny-Cours Club 1:27.40 1:23.72
Ring Knutstrop (Conf 2) 1:15.60 1:13.00
Technical data
Engine 4000 284 bhp/tonne
Specs
Max speed 280 kph 280 kph
0 - 100 kph 4.3 s 4.0 s
0 - 100 mph 9.4 s 8.5 s
0 - 200 kph 15.2 s 12.9 s
0 - 150 mph 24.6 s 20.6 s
0 - 40 kph 1.8 s 1.4 s
1/4 mile 12.4 s @ 114 mph 12.1 s
1000 m 23.5 s @ 230 kph 21.8 s
Power/weight ratio 262 bhp/tonne 284 bhp/tonne

Subjectively - newsflash guys - the F8x not only accelerates way faster, but it corners tighter, faster and flatter - the initial turn in is basically on rails.

Oh - and before you say that it's not as fun - no way - E9x was a lot a fun - F8x is yet another level more exciting. Quit living in the past and try it - you'll be shocked at how fun it is...

[mshab356]

Originally Posted by BuraQ

It sounds horrible compared to what the previous M3/M4 cars. Non of the M product lines sound as hideous as the new M3/M4 cars. This is has been a major complaint on this car. In order to correct the issue you will have to dump another 3k-5k into the car which. Its just IMO

I don't think the F8x M3/4 sounds bad. Sure it's no M V8 sound, but it isn't that bad. My least favorite sounding M3 was the E46. And even that didn't sound bad.

[ORIGIN M.]

Bunch of M3/4 post whores w/no love for the Z-Car.

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

Bunch of M3/4 post whores w/no love for the Z-Car.

I have an M4 and a Z3. I love my Z3.

[gvega702]

Yes!!! I love the new management! You cant have a MX-5 competitor that's FWD! Motor Trend just did a test comparing the new MX 5 and BRZ and brought a golf R to the fight and realized it wasn't even relevant. Thank god for new BMW management realizing this as well. Create a small mini sports car. That I will appreciate

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

I have an M4 and a Z3. I love my Z3.

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Perfect.

Very refreshing.

Very nice combo you have there.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by gvega702

Yes!!! I love the new management! You can have a MX-5 competitor that's FWD! Motor Trend just did a test comparing the new MX 5 and BRZ and brought a golf R to the fight and realized it wasn't even relevant. Thank god for new BMW management realizing this as well. Create a small mini sports car. That I will appreciate

Other than the Z1 you don't have to worry about FWD at least not for many years to come. The new Z3 will be the RWD Z-Car to have.

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by Powerslide

While I still think the E9x genreration was a great car (and still is) - I can't stand hearing people who have little or no time in the F8x generation trashing it - not sure if it's people who are bitter or who can't get into the new generation right now - but trashing the F8x is a joke. Objectively it's a joke to trash it.

My car is faster than your car and that is all that matters...unless my car is slower than your car in which case it doesn't matter because my car is not only about fastness.

[mshab356]

Originally Posted by jaehshim

agreed and disagreed
it's not that F80 is bad, it's that there's GREATER cars than F80 for the money these days.
Honestly, during the E90 M days, it was probably the most ideal sport, trackable sedan/coupe for the money.
GTR was too expensive, Corvette's quality was pretty bad, C63's 7 speed auto was hideous, RS4 was heavier and slower than E9X M3 series etc etc

Now? everyone's looking at the new C63 or a used GTR if going forced induction sports sedan/coupe for the same money.

the jacked up price just doesn't justify F80 being THAT BETTER than E90 in every way. there's better cars for same money

GTR is in a different class than an M3. Sure they are close in price, but unless someone wants the fastest car for their money, the two cars attract a lot of different enthusiasts (a lot of the same as well).

As far as new C63, is it supposed to handle well now or something? Because MB has always been a boat of a car with a shut ton of power, mainly good at straight line and not much else. M3 always out handled it and performed better overall.

[mshab356]

On-topic, I'm curious as to BMW's direction with the Z cars. I've been wondering why there hasn't been a new Z car out yet... Would love a Z3/4 M car.