[beanbaguk]

Originally Posted by mWHO

Wow someone shortened their forum typing, they must be completely illiterate!

Yes i'm sure as a Spaniard you don't want the 2nd largest contributor to leave

All banter though, my soon to be brother in law is Spanish (sister lives in Spain) and your country is lovely

True story. You don't have to be Spanish to live in Spain. That's one of the beauties of the EU....a thing called free passage and the right to work across any country....

Sadly this could be lost as a result of Brexit.

[NathObeaN]

For those in the UK, I had an MPE installed yesterday for my M2 from a main dealer. This ruling might slip into EU/UK law at some point but right now, we're still 'free'!

[MR.]

Originally Posted by NathObeaN

For those in the UK, I had an MPE installed yesterday for my M2 from a main dealer. This ruling might slip into EU/UK law at some point but right now, we're still 'free'!

You are leaving the EU anyhow... one day

MR

[NathObeaN]

Originally Posted by beanbaguk

True story. You don't have to be Spanish to live in Spain. That's one of the beauties of the EU....a thing called free passage and the right to work across any country....

Sadly this could be lost as a result of Brexit.

I'm fairly sure many people travel for work or live in other countries around the world without requiring EU membership or freedom of movement, it's just not as easy. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder at the end of the day

[NathObeaN]

Originally Posted by MR.

You are leaving the EU anyhow... one day

MR

Haha we will see. I think it's got to a point where no one really knows what direction anything is going anymore haha. That said, we're set to adopt EU law during our transition and if this becomes part of that, I very much doubt it will be re-evaluated. I doubt many of our MPs would vote in favour of encouraging people to have louder cars

[beanbaguk]

Originally Posted by NathObeaN

I'm fairly sure many people travel for work or live in other countries around the world without requiring EU membership or freedom of movement, it's just not as easy. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder at the end of the day

You're having a losing argument with somebody who travels around the world frequently for work.

I live in Spain but work in several countries by choice. Once Brexit happens I will have to get endless work and residential visas and I'll also have huge swathes of paperwork to manage for my family annually.

I've lost a huge amount of my savings and pension thanks to Brexit. Moreover my job has also been placed at risk and also my freedom of movement that I need for my job is also at risk.

Forgive me for sounding cynical but as much as I love my cars and the epic noise some can make, I value my family above some quite frankly insignificant noise regulations, so whatever anyone says; I will always consider Brexit a massive bag of turd and the rational for it, moronic.

Putting it into context, if I lose my job, I, and many other hundreds of thousands will no longer be able to afford nice cars and accessories so what does it then matter if they are louder. Point made?

[NathObeaN]

Originally Posted by beanbaguk

You're having a losing argument with somebody who travels around the world frequently for work.

I live in Spain but work in several countries by choice. Once Brexit happens I will have to get endless work and residential visas and I'll also have huge swathes of paperwork to manage for my family annually.

I've lost a huge amount of my savings and pension thanks to Brexit. Moreover my job has also been placed at risk and also my freedom of movement that I need for my job is also at risk.

Forgive me for sounding cynical but as much as I love my cars and the epic noise some can make, I value my family above some quite frankly insignificant noise regulations, so whatever anyone says; I will always consider Brexit a massive bag of turd and the rational for it, moronic.

Putting it into context, if I lose my job, I, and many other hundreds of thousands will no longer be able to afford nice cars and accessories so what does it then matter if they are louder. Point made?

I was no means making a sweeping generalisation that 'the EU sucks because of exhaust noise restrictions'. There are far more important things in the world, that we can both agree on.

I too travel internationally. I work for a US company, travel frequently to the US and work in a UK-based office with members from nearly every member of the EU. Our company and my job depends on EU and non-EU trade. I also travel and work in many countries within the EU including our European-based offices.

I fully appreciate your view and situation and I have no doubt leaving the EU will affect the lives of many others too. Equally, I am also entitled (as are others) to the view that remaining a part of the EU may be detrimental to many other families in different situations.

Being a member of the EU is neither 100% positive nor 100% negative (hence the result). Millions of people voted on their anecdotal and where possible (I hope) a wider understanding of the consequences of leaving or staying.

Everyone has their own views, principles and beliefs. Being able to act on those values is the beauty of democracy, something I hope we can all agree is a good thing.

I fully respect your view and the views of anyone who voted to leave or remain. Personally, I find it abhorrent when discussions around this subject turn into a mindless mud-slinging matches and only wish the entire discussion was more respectful and informative leading up to this point.

I hope for the sake of your family and many others around the world that may be affected by the UK leaving the EU, the longer term consequences produce a net positive result. Only time will tell.

In an effort to stay on topic (so the mods don't start telling us off), I am sure car manufacturers will find a way to make cars sound just as exiting in newer cars, regardless of regulations on 'button control'. As long as it doesn't involve ASD!

[beanbaguk]

Originally Posted by NathObeaN

I was no means making a sweeping generalisation that 'the EU sucks because of exhaust noise restrictions'. There are far more important things in the world, that we can both agree on.

I too travel internationally. I work for a US company, travel frequently to the US and work in a UK-based office with members from nearly every member of the EU. Our company and my job depends on EU and non-EU trade. I also travel and work in many countries within the EU including our European-based offices.

I fully appreciate your view and situation and I have no doubt leaving the EU will affect the lives of many others too. Equally, I am also entitled (as are others) to the view that remaining a part of the EU may be detrimental to many other families in different situations.

Being a member of the EU is neither 100% positive nor 100% negative (hence the result). Millions of people voted on their anecdotal and where possible (I hope) a wider understanding of the consequences of leaving or staying.

Everyone has their own views, principles and beliefs. Being able to act on those values is the beauty of democracy, something I hope we can all agree is a good thing.

I fully respect your view and the views of anyone who voted to leave or remain. Personally, I find it abhorrent when discussions around this subject turn into a mindless mud-slinging matches and only wish the entire discussion was more respectful and informative leading up to this point.

I hope for the sake of your family and many others around the world that may be affected by the UK leaving the EU, the longer term consequences produce a net positive result. Only time will tell.

In an effort to stay on topic (so the mods don't start telling us off), I am sure car manufacturers will find a way to make cars sound just as exiting in newer cars, regardless of regulations on 'button control'. As long as it doesn't involve ASD!

Couldn't agree more with your last point.

As an avid pistonhead, I dread the whole push for electric. Noise is a massive part of the thrill when driving....

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by MR.

Another thing not possible in Europe.... We cannot see or read anything from Caranddriver in Europe.

MR

There's only one thing to do about that...VPN!

[Bluenose-2er]

I will probably get flamed for this, but why do they call it "performance" exhaust anyway? It does not increase performance, only makes it louder.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Bluenose-2er

I will probably get flamed for this, but why do they call it "performance" exhaust anyway? It does not increase performance, only makes it louder.

Because phonetically speaking it's "Purr-formance".

[chris719]

Originally Posted by Bluenose-2er

I will probably get flamed for this, but why do they call it "performance" exhaust anyway? It does not increase performance, only makes it louder.

M Performance is the brand name.

Don't worry, there won't be any need for an exhaust soon once you buy your 2028 M3 EV

[phuksi]

Getting back a bit closer to the topic...

My bad luck and unfortunate timing caused my order for M Performance Exhaust to be cancelled by two dealerships. I tried to order one to be delivered from Germany to Finland.

One of the dealers said they have no information but deliveries are put on hold and the product is not available. Another dealer I contacted said they have been informed by BMW that majority of M performance exhaust are too loud according to new rules. BMW has placed a shipping hold most of the performance exhausts and is now discussing with German authorities about the rules and how to interpret them. According to the dealer they are not allowed to ship anywhere even outside Germany.

Seems that auto industry is really on their toes and careful now. Must be because of the diesel emission that became astronomically expensive for VW and still ongoing with the other makers.

-p

[Bluenose-2er]

Originally Posted by chris719

M Performance is the brand name.

Don't worry, there won't be any need for an exhaust soon once you buy your 2028 M3 EV

You missed my point... why the fuss over a louder exhaust that's only function is to make you louder? I could understand if it actually increased power, but it doesn't.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by phuksi

Getting back a bit closer to the topic...

My bad luck and unfortunate timing caused my order for M Performance Exhaust to be cancelled by two dealerships. I tried to order one to be delivered from Germany to Finland.

One of the dealers said they have no information but deliveries are put on hold and the product is not available. Another dealer I contacted said they have been informed by BMW that majority of M performance exhaust are too loud according to new rules. BMW has placed a shipping hold most of the performance exhausts and is now discussing with German authorities about the rules and how to interpret them. According to the dealer they are not allowed to ship anywhere even outside Germany.

Seems that auto industry is really on their toes and careful now. Must be because of the diesel emission that became astronomically expensive for VW and still ongoing with the other makers.

-p

Basically it's all VWs fault again

[Corinne]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

This is why ppl wanted brexit, get those EU ninnies TF outta there!

I'm sick to death of all these nannying EU rules. Life is becoming impossible. If we ever get the chance to vote in France I shall definitely vote for a FREXIT. In the meantime I wish the British the best of luck with BREXIT. Show the Europeans the finger !!!

[adc]

Originally Posted by Corinne

I'm sick to death of all these nannying EU rules. Life is becoming impossible. If we ever get the chance to vote in France I shall definitely vote for a FREXIT. In the meantime I wish the British the best of luck with BREXIT. Show the Europeans the finger !!!

Yes, I’m sure all the chronic (and acute) problems that France has been experiencing can be blamed on the EU, never on the French.


That being said, and loving France as I do, our forum community shouldn’t worry about the MPE. In a few years once the now electric future becomes present, you’ll yearn for the exotic sound of a nice turbo 4 cyl.

[Bee Pee]

Originally Posted by adc

Yes, I’m sure all the chronic (and acute) problems that France has been experiencing can be blamed on the EU, never on the French.


That being said, and loving France as I do, our forum community shouldn’t worry about the MPE. In a few years once the now electric future becomes present, you’ll yearn for the exotic sound of a nice turbo 4 cyl.

Someone stateside could probable make a good business by simply buying and sending eastwards US spec M2C MPE's to Euro M2C owners.....

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by MR.

Another thing not possible in Europe.... We cannot see or read anything from Caranddriver in Europe.

MR

Your not missing much

[Meanie]

Just got an update from BMW South Africa. The MPE has failed homologation and will not be released to any Southern hemisphere country. I am assuming the same will follow for all European regions. - this is so stupid!

[MR.]

Originally Posted by Meanie

Just got an update from BMW South Africa. The MPE has failed homologation and will not be released to any Southern hemisphere country. I am assuming the same will follow for all European regions. - this is so stupid!

Good, be happy... You can get a decent exhaust, not just some overpriced axle back thing with a crappy remote.

MR

[spucktacular]

soo... is a Lamborghini going to be any quieter as a result of this new law, or does it just make it more expensive to make noise?