[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by m2ss

Detail please...

He doesn't post much, and I'm not sure you want to see the pix, but...

M2Pilot

[M2Pilot]

After a huge fight on what BMW considers a “leak” from the oil pan gasket at 9k miles (apparently seeping not dripping yet is not a leak). The dealer did an oil change and somehow spilt oil all over the engine bay.

Basically DTA even you dealer. No one other than me will touch the car while I own it again.

[Navy Davy]

Anyone know of a reputable shop to do the crankhub fix in the CT/NY area?

Is the SSR keyed 4 pin crank hub the best to use for this fix? Would doing a capture plate in addition to this be overkill?

[M3R1]

Originally Posted by Navy Davy

Anyone know of a reputable shop to do the crankhub fix in the CT/NY area?

Is the SSR keyed 4 pin crank hub the best to use for this fix? Would doing a capture plate in addition to this be overkill?

AutoCouture in NJ

[chmura]

Originally Posted by M2Pilot

After a huge fight on what BMW considers a “leak” from the oil pan gasket at 9k miles (apparently seeping not dripping yet is not a leak). The dealer did an oil change and somehow spilt oil all over the engine bay.

Basically DTA even you dealer. No one other than me will touch the car while I own it again.

Good call. I do my my own oil changes. Super easy to do. The hardest part is jacking up the car.

Next I want to change my rear diff and MT transmission oil. Also want to do an engine coolant flush this year at some point.

Doing it all myself. I don’t trust shops these days.

[doughboy]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

I breathed a sigh of relief when my car went out of warranty, and no BMW dealer will ever touch it again. More damn BMW dealer horror stories than Chevrolet dealer horror stories. That shit isn't right.

Even when mine was in warranty it never went to BMW for a anything except the compulsory run in service, they're just a shambles of incompetent / arrogant people.

Thankfully in the UK / EU you can go anywhere for service and as long as you have proof of use of OE or equal parts for service they can't then deny any warranty claims.

[doughboy]

Originally Posted by omasou

Joe Achilles money shifted his M2C and his initial assessment is that the hub spinning may actually have saved him from a more damage.

IMO a SCH is always the result of driver error and locking the hub will only result in more significant damage.

Joe in his own admittance doesn't have a clue about mechanics.

If the hub didn't slip (like any other "normal" car with a solid cam drive) then the valves wouldn't hit the pistons unless the rpm is so so high that they contact due to valve bounce, but not slipped timing.

But moneyshift with valve bounce contact and then slipped timing which means contact can continue after high rpm incident is double bad.

Slipping crank hub adds a whole other dimension of extra damage possibilities to the situation even at non dangerous rpm.

All this BS about it being a safety feature demonstrates lack of understanding of the mechanism at play.

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by doughboy

Thankfully in the UK / EU you can go anywhere for service and as long as you have proof of use of OE or equal parts for service they can't then deny any warranty claims.

Holy crap that's awesome!

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

Holy crap that's awesome!

That applies with the USA as well with Magnusson moss.

[allinon72]

Just be prepared, if the time comes, to battle a global behemoth in the court of law. It’s easy to reference the law as a safeguard, but we rarely talk about the arduous process of actually holding a dealer or manufacturer responsible for any infractions regarding said law.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by allinon72

Just be prepared, if the time comes, to battle a global behemoth in the court of law. It’s easy to reference the law as a safeguard, but we rarely talk about the arduous process of actually holding a dealer or manufacturer responsible for any infractions regarding said law.

Generally if it is something small then BMW won't make a huge fuss out of it, if it is an engine or a drive train part they will send a head tech down to inspect everything and make sure you didn't have a tune or do something wrong.

Subaru used to take oil analysis to ensure you used the right oil and that the oil wasn't too old before they would repair blown sti engines.

But overall they shouldn't make it a court battle if you did everything right (didn't tune the car, use LL01 oil, used bmw certified parts etc) because it would ruin the brand image.

[m2ss]

Originally Posted by allinon72

Just be prepared, if the time comes, to battle a global behemoth in the court of law. It’s easy to reference the law as a safeguard, but we rarely talk about the arduous process of actually holding a dealer or manufacturer responsible for any infractions regarding said law.

Yup, welcome to reality...

[doughboy]

Originally Posted by allinon72

Just be prepared, if the time comes, to battle a global behemoth in the court of law. It’s easy to reference the law as a safeguard, but we rarely talk about the arduous process of actually holding a dealer or manufacturer responsible for any infractions regarding said law.

It's not so bad here, all the manufacturers are settled with the rules that they cannot stipulate franchise dealer servicing to maintain warranty, it's been that way for years.

It's just a car FFS, follow the service guide and use OE quality parts no problem. It only needs an oil change every 2 years in EU.

They have to allow 3rd parties access to in car service logs etc.

My indy has genuine BMW service centre ID and can put the service details in the I-drive just like any BMW dealer does.

[Fred Conoway]

Originally Posted by doughboy

It's not so bad here, all the manufacturers are settled with the rules that they cannot stipulate franchise dealer servicing to maintain warranty, it's been that way for years.

It's just a car FFS, follow the service guide and use OE quality parts no problem. It only needs an oil change every 2 years in EU.

They have to allow 3rd parties access to in car service logs etc.

My indy has genuine BMW service centre ID and can put the service details in the I-drive just like any BMW dealer does.

That's super interesting to hear about an independent having a genuine BMW service center ID! I know in Canada that does not exist, but I'm not sure about here in the US.

[doughboy]

Part of the EU/UK laws to make manufacturers open up servicing is that they have to make all the required systems available to 3rd parties too.

This is all manufacturers.

I.e. programming and diagnostics systems and tools, parts catalogues, online database like puma etc.

If the vehicles have onboard service logging then they have to make that available too.

For a fee of course, but even BMW dealers have to pay BMW, nothing is free.