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Peace of mind that I'm not wearing out my $1300 tires prematurely: Priceless I don't doubt what you say, but I've seen things... So I always get an alignment after the final adjustment, even if it was moved just a bit. 620/620 from the factory. Measured it myself. But actually, the passenger rear was 625. It's always higher... |
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A couple more data points. Looks like some may have flipped front and rear numbers? Measurement probably include some user variability
M2C 625 mm / 614 mm - shemeld_135 M2 623 mm / 616 mm VisualEcho M2 620 mm / 621 mm. _RS4_ |
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omasou: your heights looks spot bang on, thanks for sharing! Now, seems our height specs are similar (see my post above where I just measured mine), however your front doesn't have the low rider/tuck in look like mine. What gives?? As mentioned prior, I find the ride greatly improved w/ the B16s - so if it wasn't for the tucked in look in the front , I would have been content and called it a day.
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Attached pictures after a few spirited driving days, as well as the alignment figures.
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For reference. Today wtih 12,000 miles, brand new tires and some settling.
Updated picture to removing some of the shadows. HTH. Last edited by omasou; 06-23-2022 at 02:32 PM.. |
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1. according to Bilstein, the lowering range is 30-50 mm all around. 2. Seems like stock is 620mm, that would place the F around 590, which where I'm pretty much at 3. the installer mentioned that the front is the highest it can go So, does this boil down to this is the min height drop the B16s can do (tucked in look)? If so (especially given point 3), how did other M2C owners w/ B16 achieve higher stance (did a 25 mm drop, and looks much better IMO). See here: https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=24525012
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@omasu car doesn't have the tucked in tyre look, yet his car has a lower front height… Your front height, especially after 12k mi, is set and won't go any lower. Mine is currently at 23.5" (angle holding phone and tape measure might make it look off), after not even a few hundred miles (stock PSS tyres and 788s rims), so it will go lower by a few good mm.. Measurements pictures attached.
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You can always install spacers, that will also reduce the low rider look
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There are additional options beyond Ohlins.
I went with motion control 3 ways. The delta is 10mm lower in front and 14 in back, give or take a little. Details in the images of the spreadsheets towards the bottom. https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1932688 |
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Richland Forged RF-GT4 w/ Michelin MP4S 255/30/19 in the front and 275/30/275 in the rear. Hopefully, once I get the ride height issue resolved, everything should be pretty much flushed with the fender w/o any rubbing. I am planning on bringing it back to the shop next week. So, given the last few posts should I ask the shop to do something in particular?
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I never minded the OEM wheel gap and all that, so my goal w/ the Bilstein B16s was to improve the overall ride quality that pretty much all of us bitch about: clancky, jittery over most slight road imperfections
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When the front or rear are dropped you'll necessarily gain negative camber, meaning the top shoulder of the tires will tuck in. If you want it to be lower but still appear stock with regards to camber, you'll need to get spacers to compensate. 5mm should do it, but most go with 10/12 for the "flush" look. We're not talking stanceworks here, or hella-flush stuff, we're talking just generally correct fitment. 595/600 with 10/12 spacers is literally perfect for 90% of the guys on here, and is quite well documented. You'll find many examples here: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1251250 |
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I guess I was going by what other B16 installs and they don't have the tuck in look; maybe because the owner forgot to disclose (or I likely missed it) that they're also running spacers and/or camber plates combo… So many variables here…suspension look and feel can be equally subjective and objective; @doughboy just above mentioned his doesn't have the low rider look but has similar height drop, and I don't recall hims stating he's rocking camber plates or spacers
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If you don't like the tuck, rock the spacer, it's no big deal, and you can get a set for cheap. I will say that there are variables with measuring as well, and with the cars themselves, but with the same drop/wheels/tires you should have the same look. This car is decidedly GERMAN. |
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Cheers - to confirm, are you rocking camber plates or spacers per chance?
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Next up though, I'm going for the Richland Forged GT4 wheels which offer a bigger offset. That, combined w/ PS4S 355/30/19 and 275/30/19 tyres should definitely help both flushed looks and handling wise Till then though…will spring up for the spacers if I end up hating the look that badly.
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I wouldn't obsess on the "ride height" and look too much. Also don't forget your comparing your MP4S to my MPSS.
More important is if front scrapes when going fast over dips in the road. Luckily, I have only rubbed the little black rotor mud flaps. I want to raise it between stock and the lowered specs probably 610/615, which should resolve daily driving and anxiety worrying about a bounce and scrape from dips in the road. Lastly, I'd try to find a metric tape as it is removes the ambiguity of converting a lower resolution measurement in inches to mm. Last edited by omasou; 06-24-2022 at 12:56 PM.. |
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what you guys recommend to get rid of the body roll, have a car road compliant but not crazy stiff?
I would like to go for a set of coilovers too, my use is 90% road, 10% track.I usually do 2 track days per year |
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I added the coilovers to get rid of the harsh jarring compression/rebound of the stock suspension. In this video Steve Dinan @3:05 talks about suspensions tuning and why he can uses softer springs. Tightening things up too much isn't always an improvement and applying race car solution strategy doesn't apply 1:1 to street cars. Yeah, yeah I know some people don't like Dinan but at least listen to his reasoning it does make sense. |
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I'm on fully stock suspensions I feel it get worse and worse more laps per session I do Anyone feels the same? I hope this picture explain it better |
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