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      02-15-2020, 04:51 AM   #1
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"Instant/Spray Wax" for ceramic coated cars?

I've had the Ceramic Pro Gold Package(4 layers of 9H - 1 layer of Light) on my M2C for about six months now and have loved it.

My car is a daily and isn't garaged. While I do maintain the paint obsessively, I've started to notice general buildup akin to minor water spots/paint contamination causing certain parts not to be as hydrophobic. I'm a few months short of my yearly clay bar/ceramic coating update.

While we cannot wax ceramic coated cars, I have seen several water based waxes/sealants that are meant for it. Does anyone have experience with a ceramic coating safe product, akin to spray wax, that I can use after each wash? Or do I just get the car clayed?

For reference, I only use de-ionized water, PH neutral soap, 3 bucket method, and exclusively use a car air dryer.
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You can definitely put wax or sealants over a ceramic coating. Most people just don't do it because it's typically a waste and you lose the properties of the coating beneath it.

I use Beadmaker as a drying aid to top off my ceramic coating with every wash. It's cheap enough per gallon ~$35 and my one gallon has lasted me a year. There are many other options out there though. Meguairs Hybrid Ceramic Wax, Turtle Wax Seal n Shine to name a few others and you don't have to apply it every time. You could even dilute these down if you want to apply with every wash since they last a few months alone.
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You should be using a silica based refresh spray on your car after every wash on ceramic coating. Are you not doing that?
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You should be using a silica based refresh spray on your car after every wash on ceramic coating. Are you not doing that?
My installer only said to do it if I want to, otherwise they refresh it every year
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My installer only said to do it if I want to, otherwise they refresh it every year
I've used the CarPro Reload spray with good results before. It's specifically made to replenish ceramic coats. There are other brands that do the same. However, I never repurchased after my original supply ran out because it's expensive at $38 for 17 ounces. And switched to Chemical Guys V07 which is $31 for a gallon on Amazon. It accomplishes like 95% of the results at a fraction of the price.

But check with your detailer before using a product, because I don't want you to use something and find out it voids your ceramic coating warranty or something.

In my experience, having used ceramic coatings about 8 times in the last few years. They don't last nearly as long as advertised, require maintenance with expensive products, and take a long time to initially apply and can be screwed up if you're not careful. I still coat my windows and wheels, but the bodywork I've switched to using a good quick detailer after washes.
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I would reach out to your installer. I install CP here in SoCal and typically recommend exactly what you're doing. In some cases an all purpose cleaner like Americana's F-Bomb will do the trick of removing any contaminants (i usually mix in a bit with my soap in a foam cannon and spray the whole car with it)

There's also 'Ceramic Pro Care' but it's a bit pricey - however, the benefits i've seen on throught testing our shop cars have been pretty amazing.

But first i'd reach out to your installer and ask for their recommendations or take it in for a quick maintenance wash/decon and claybar. That should get the coating performing properly again.

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I've had the Ceramic Pro Gold Package(4 layers of 9H - 1 layer of Light) on my M2C for about six months now and have loved it.

My car is a daily and isn't garaged. While I do maintain the paint obsessively, I've started to notice general buildup akin to minor water spots/paint contamination causing certain parts not to be as hydrophobic. I'm a few months short of my yearly clay bar/ceramic coating update.

While we cannot wax ceramic coated cars, I have seen several water based waxes/sealants that are meant for it. Does anyone have experience with a ceramic coating safe product, akin to spray wax, that I can use after each wash? Or do I just get the car clayed?

For reference, I only use de-ionized water, PH neutral soap, 3 bucket method, and exclusively use a car air dryer.
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I would reach out to your installer. I install CP here in SoCal and typically recommend exactly what you're doing. In some cases an all purpose cleaner like Americana's F-Bomb will do the trick of removing any contaminants (i usually mix in a bit with my soap in a foam cannon and spray the whole car with it)

There's also 'Ceramic Pro Care' but it's a bit pricey - however, the benefits i've seen on throught testing our shop cars have been pretty amazing.

But first i'd reach out to your installer and ask for their recommendations or take it in for a quick maintenance wash/decon and claybar. That should get the coating performing properly again.

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I've had the Ceramic Pro Gold Package(4 layers of 9H - 1 layer of Light) on my M2C for about six months now and have loved it.

My car is a daily and isn't garaged. While I do maintain the paint obsessively, I've started to notice general buildup akin to minor water spots/paint contamination causing certain parts not to be as hydrophobic. I'm a few months short of my yearly clay bar/ceramic coating update.

While we cannot wax ceramic coated cars, I have seen several water based waxes/sealants that are meant for it. Does anyone have experience with a ceramic coating safe product, akin to spray wax, that I can use after each wash? Or do I just get the car clayed?

For reference, I only use de-ionized water, PH neutral soap, 3 bucket method, and exclusively use a car air dryer.
I actually have a maintenance wash scheduled for Wednesday and then I'm going to start using reload after every wash. Thanks!
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If you're having coating failure after six months then there's something wrong with this scenario...

It's interesting your detailer said "if you want to". You always need to use a topper on a ceramic coating and most companies that have a ceramic coating will have their complementary ceramic booster that is meant to be used after each wash based on your washing frequency. A ceramic coating will not last as long as they claim without proper maintenance. Proper maintenance means many different things, but having it washed frequently and topping it off are part of that group. So sounds like your detailer is just ripping you off because he knows if you don't touch your paint you'll need him to do a couple sprays where he charges all profit for the work.

Your washing method sounds perfect so again something in the equation is not adding up. The detailing industry is definitely getting saturated with people who are not as professional as they claim in the knowledge department. I also find it strange being recommended to use an APC on your ceramic coated car. When you do the prep properly and maintain the finish properly you shouldn't need anything other than your basic washes to keep it alive.

I recommend you digging into forums and doing your own research rather than trusting someone just because they have a "detailing business". Just my two cents.
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If you're having coating failure after six months then there's something wrong with this scenario...

It's interesting your detailer said "if you want to". You always need to use a topper on a ceramic coating and most companies that have a ceramic coating will have their complementary ceramic booster that is meant to be used after each wash based on your washing frequency. A ceramic coating will not last as long as they claim without proper maintenance. Proper maintenance means many different things, but having it washed frequently and topping it off are part of that group. So sounds like your detailer is just ripping you off because he knows if you don't touch your paint you'll need him to do a couple sprays where he charges all profit for the work.

Your washing method sounds perfect so again something in the equation is not adding up. The detailing industry is definitely getting saturated with people who are not as professional as they claim in the knowledge department. I also find it strange being recommended to use an APC on your ceramic coated car. When you do the prep properly and maintain the finish properly you shouldn't need anything other than your basic washes to keep it alive.

I recommend you digging into forums and doing your own research rather than trusting someone just because they have a "detailing business". Just my two cents.
The whole profit method for Ceramic Pro is based off of mandatory yearly visits to the original detailed for "top off and reapplication" of the ceramic coating. If you don't do it you void your "warranty"

Also the fact that CP accepts pretty much and Joe or Sally that applies to be "certified" is why that brand is generally scoffed at in the detailing community
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I just went back and got a maintenance wash.

It's back to normal and just like new. It's not that the coating is failing - its just neglected it and the paint became contaminated and needed a clay.
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This product is amazing on my ceramic coating!!

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If you use this kind of ceramic coating then it's easier to put wax on and maintain.
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Beadmaker for the win. I use it as a drying aid every time I wash the car. And the shine! The paint looks like it's wet. I get lots of complements. It is quite durable also.

My favorite parts about beadmaker:

1) contains zero ingredients that will yellow PPF or damage ceramic coatings.
2) it can be used on ANY surface without film or residue. I especially like using it on the door sills. It prevents door seal squeaks.
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