[STK]

I regret even considering a DCT. Time I'll never get back.

[Fear-Mongrel]

Originally Posted by six-n-twins53

But it always makes me laugh at a cars and coffee when an onlooker looks into a car and says oh, it's an automatic/dct. There is a disappointment in their reaction.

I have to confess to being that guy when it comes to the M2, and I concede that it's purely an emotional reaction, entirely illogical, and it may indicate that I am mentally unstable. Logically I know that there are people who live in high-traffic areas, and people with physical limitations, and people who track the car and need to shave hundredths of seconds off their lap times. Logically, it makes perfect sense, and if I fell into any of these categories I myself would probably buy a DCT. I completely get it. But instinctively, I see that little DCT nub sticking out of the console and I think...what hath God wrought?

It's even worse with Miatas...I've considered proposing legislation in the state of Arizona that if passed would see all Miatas with automatics confiscated and loaded onto a giant cargo ship and then sunk in the Mariana Trench. Logically, I'm sure there are some very normal people putting automatics in Miatas, but emotionally I don't think they should be living on this planet.

[champignon]

Originally Posted by afwares

I have to confess to being that guy when it comes to the M2, and I concede that it's purely an emotional reaction, entirely illogical, and it may indicate that I am mentally unstable. Logically I know that there are people who live in high-traffic areas, and people with physical limitations, and people who track the car and need to shave hundredths of seconds off their lap times. Logically, it makes perfect sense, and if I fell into any of these categories I myself would probably buy a DCT. I completely get it. But instinctively, I see that little DCT nub sticking out of the console and I think...what hath God wrought?

It's even worse with Miatas...I've considered proposing legislation in the state of Arizona that if passed would see all Miatas with automatics confiscated and loaded onto a giant cargo ship and then sunk in the Mariana Trench. Logically, I'm sure there are some very normal people putting automatics in Miatas, but emotionally I don't think they should be living on this planet.

In my normal, everyday life, I rarely encounter a car that interests me, at least not anywhere that I can look at it up close and personal, such as parked in a lot or on the street. SUVs and Pickups predominate here. Every once in a while I encounter a performance car. Invariably, it has an AT. As soon as I see that, I become sad. Generally, it does not ruin my day, but there have been exceptions :-)

[bobert]

Originally Posted by afwares

It's even worse with Miatas...I've considered proposing legislation in the state of Arizona that if passed would see all Miatas with automatics confiscated and loaded onto a giant cargo ship and then sunk in the Mariana Trench. Logically, I'm sure there are some very normal people putting automatics in Miatas, but emotionally I don't think they should be living on this planet.

Totally agree - I support transmission choice... in every car but a Miata (anyone who buys an automatic Miata just doesn't get it & should not be allowed to buy one ). The problem is, my choice is disappearing!

But one day these threads will die, when both DCT & MT go the way of the dodo in favor of automatics for everyone. (Then those will go extinct when ICE cars disappear, since electric cars don't need transmissions... and eventually we won't be able to drive electric cars since they'll drive themselves. IOW, the car enthusiast world is on borrowed time but hopefully I'll end before it does. )

[eatingpizzainthef87rules]

Originally Posted by aerobat

Fun in cars is a matter of subjectivity.
If you don't understand that Americans in general consider manual more special than Europeans I think you should read multiple threads on the topic on this forum.

You said fancy, not special - in America those words mean different things.

[Al1969]

Last weekend I did 2 days intensive drive in mountain passes with local M event, for first time, I felt a pain in my right arm switching DCT in manual mode (sport+) !!! Who said DCT requires no efforts ???

[aerobat]

Originally Posted by bovairdf87

You said fancy, not special - in America those words mean different things.

I'm really sorry for my ignorance, but English is not my native language.

What I actually wrote (if you read carefully) was that most Europeans doesn't consider MT fancy and, based on what I read on forums like this, it seems like many Americans consider MT more special than DCT.

I think this briefly sums it up.
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-stick-s...than-automatic

Sorry for getting a bit off topic, but I had to reply.

[M2nelz]

I went for the DCT but wish i had gone MT . Just miss that little extra driver involvement MT gives. My next car is going to be an R8 V10 MT

[D22M2]

DCT kicks much a**- super good, really!

Manual would’ve been fun for a week, maybe - Bay Area traffic sucks !

No regrets here

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by M2nelz

I went for the DCT but wish i had gone MT . Just miss that little extra driver involvement MT gives. My next car is going to be an R8 V10 MT

I'm the opposite. I would have spent the extra money on the DCT if I could do it all over again. Not the end of the world though as fortunately the 6 speed shifts are smooth and the clutch easy to modulate making it easier to drive in the city than say an STI which has always had a high engagement point making it more difficult to drive smoothly.

[TheMagician]

Even though the deal is done I still have an option to switch the cars.

I do 50/50 B roads and highway driving so got DCT but have another week to switch to manual. I’ve heard that cruising at about 125 km/h takes over 3200-3300 rpm which is not ideal. I drove manual for 15 years in my E46 325 and other “rocket” but thinking about that bumper to bumper commute downtown 20K each day I just don’t know.

Decisions, decisions...

[champignon]

Originally Posted by aerobat

I'm really sorry for my ignorance, but English is not my native language.

Don't sell yourself short; your English is better than at least half of the US population, especially those people under about 35.

[Rupes]

Got my time machine today and discovered what will replace the DCT/Manual posts of the future. Headline reads: Any regrets getting the autonomous driving version of the M2?

Comments read: "I deal with traffic, so didn't want the extra hassle of turning a wheel."

"The car is faster around a track when it drives itself."

And one outlier said, "I like turning my own wheel, but wish I had the mind-sensing hungerzone option which feeds me while I'm driving."

In other words, nothing changed.

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by Rupes

Got my time machine today and discovered what will replace the DCT/Manual posts of the future. Headline reads: Any regrets getting the autonomous driving version of the M2?

Comments read: "I deal with traffic, so didn't want the extra hassle of turning a wheel."

"The car is faster around a track when it drives itself."

And one outlier said, "I like turning my own wheel, but wish I had the mind-sensing hungerzone option which feeds me while I'm driving."

In other words, nothing changed.

While funny, I think there is a big difference between 6MT vs DCT compared to Auto vs Autonomous.... people who buy DCT because of traffic love to be able to have fun when it opens up but not have a jacked left leg from shifting in traffic. People who want the DCT on the track is because they want to improve THEIR skills by tenths of a second and not because it's easier or they are lazy to do it themselves. That's a bit of a slippery slope don't you think?

If you buy a car to have fun while driving, would you ever even use autonomous mode unless your on a highway road trip? Probably not. But you could have a ton of fun with a DCT.

[eatingpizzainthef87rules]

Originally Posted by Rupes

Got my time machine today and discovered what will replace the DCT/Manual posts of the future. Headline reads: Any regrets getting the autonomous driving version of the M2?

Comments read: "I deal with traffic, so didn't want the extra hassle of turning a wheel."

"The car is faster around a track when it drives itself."

And one outlier said, "I like turning my own wheel, but wish I had the mind-sensing hungerzone option which feeds me while I'm driving."

In other words, nothing changed.

10/10 so true on all aspects

[pruettfan]

I'm certainly not the official spokesperson for all guys who drive a DCT on track but I can speak for myself. I chose a dct for my everyday driving, if I had a pure track car I would probably have chosen a manual regardless of track times.

[Slowphiveo]

After having manual transmission sports cars my whole life, I went with the DCT on my M2 and couldn't be happier. I first got hooked on the superiority of a dual clutch trans when I drove my buddy's 911 with the PDK. I'm not putting down the MT, but the DCT is superior in every way. I feel like I can be more focused on the actual drive. There is a reason pretty much most professional race series in the world operate with cars that run some form of DCT.

[aerobat]

Originally Posted by afwares

I have to confess to being that guy when it comes to the M2, and I concede that it's purely an emotional reaction, entirely illogical, and it may indicate that I am mentally unstable. Logically I know that there are people who live in high-traffic areas, and people with physical limitations, and people who track the car and need to shave hundredths of seconds off their lap times. Logically, it makes perfect sense, and if I fell into any of these categories I myself would probably buy a DCT. I completely get it. But instinctively, I see that little DCT nub sticking out of the console and I think...what hath God wrought?

It's even worse with Miatas...I've considered proposing legislation in the state of Arizona that if passed would see all Miatas with automatics confiscated and loaded onto a giant cargo ship and then sunk in the Mariana Trench. Logically, I'm sure there are some very normal people putting automatics in Miatas, but emotionally I don't think they should be living on this planet.

I understand that this is written as some kind of irony or sarcasm. To some extent I can agree that in my subjective opinion a Miata is best suited for MT. (even though I never driven one with DCT).

But, maybe you and some others should consider that there might be humans actually choosing a M2 DCT by their free will, just because they find it more fun to drive or faster or easier or harder or cooler or a better overall package or any combination of those or other reasons.
And those humans may be mentally stable or instable, living on the country or in high traffic areas, be trackers or Sunday drivers or whatsoever.

The thing I can give you right in is that most sports car buyers just do not by a car based on logic. Irrational feelings makes people buy strange cars that often gives the owner great pleasure. For some (appearently) the most important is that the car is a MT, others have to have a boxer six behind them, some want a cab and others doesn't care about anything else but their neighbors envy . And then there are some some strange people actually love the superfast gearchange of a DCT gearbox.

[Fear-Mongrel]

Originally Posted by aerobat

I understand that this is written as some kind of irony or sarcasm. To some extent I can agree that in my subjective opinion a Miata is best suited for MT. (even though I never driven one with DCT).

But, maybe you and some others should consider that there might be humans actually choosing a M2 DCT by their free will, just because they find it more fun to drive or faster or easier or harder or cooler or a better overall package or any combination of those or other reasons.
And those humans may be mentally stable or instable, living on the country or in high traffic areas, be trackers or Sunday drivers or whatsoever.

The thing I can give you right in is that most sports car buyers just do not by a car based on logic. Irrational feelings makes people buy strange cars that often gives the owner great pleasure. For some (appearently) the most important is that the car is a MT, others have to have a boxer six behind them, some want a cab and others doesn't care about anything else but their neighbors envy . And then there are some some strange people actually love the superfast gearchange of a DCT gearbox.

Yes, I think you follow me. There's a cavernous difference between logic and emotion. I'm not passing judgement or looking negatively upon you for choosing the DCT, just as my wife doesn't look negatively upon me for liking Canadian Bacon on my pizza even though she thinks it's crazy to choose that over pepperoni. Logically she gets it and still loves me, emotionally she thinks that I may have been dropped on my head as a baby. Big difference, and I think you understand what I was writing.

And of course I wasn't suggesting that the three particular reasons I listed for buying a DCT were the only 3 possible reasons for doing so. I stopped at 3 merely in the interest of time...there may be 41,893 reasons but I have a family to feed and don't have time for a list that large. Were I to attempt a full list, I would gladly include "freewill" as one of many reasons to choose a DCT. I may also include "Possible Manchurian Candidate" on the list, not to offend but simply to be thorough.

And yes, my post was typed with much joy and gaiety. That's just how I roll.

[eatingpizzainthef87rules]

Originally Posted by afwares

Yes, I think you follow me. There's a cavernous difference between logic and emotion. I'm not passing judgement or looking negatively upon you for choosing the DCT, just as my wife doesn't look negatively upon me for liking Canadian Bacon on my pizza even though she thinks it's crazy to choose that over pepperoni. Logically she gets it and still loves me, emotionally she thinks that I may have been dropped on my head as a baby. Big difference, and I think you understand what I was writing.

And of course I wasn't suggesting that the three particular reasons I listed for buying a DCT were the only 3 possible reasons for doing so. I stopped at 3 merely in the interest of time...there may be 41,893 reasons but I have a family to feed and don't have time for a list that large. Were I to attempt a full list, I would gladly include "freewill" as one of many reasons to choose a DCT. I may also include "Possible Manchurian Candidate" on the list, not to offend but simply to be thorough.

And yes, my post was typed with much joy and gaiety. That's just how I roll.

I like your style, and your cat.

[Slaney]

Manual transmission for sure!! Best theft deterrent around.

[bri1042]

I've gone back and forth on the manual-or-not argument so many times with myself (uh, and with my SO who just wants a transportation pod rather than a car...sigh). Crappy 70's slushboxes for a few years in my early days, 20+ years with manuals, 5 years with BMW Auto's (that crap GM 6-speed auto in my E90, then two ZF 8's). Part of me will always want to go back to the manual, but I went DCT for my failing left knee, many of the DCT-positive reasons above, and because I've never HAD a DCT. If I like it 10% more than I liked the ZF-8 in my 340, I'll be fine.