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Also, nobody knows if it will be the CSL or GTS. Maybe the guys working on the car think it is the GTS because that's what the "Special" cars have been called recently. Maybe BMW will change that to CSL later on. There are no M2 CSL/GTS (front and rear) badges either. Not yet at least. We also do not know if it will eventually get the green light or not once fully developed. So many unknowns still... What is clear is the following: 1, BMW M2 Competition is the new base and not really "special", 2, BMW M2 Competition is not lighter (Probably intentionally) and there is scope for making it lighter (Lesser sound deadening, no rear seats, lighter front seats, CF Roof and some other stuff ), 3, There is room to easily increase S55 engine output which people will do if BMW does not do it themselves, 4, The pricing of the M2 Competition is not competing with cars like the GT4, 5, The M2 still does not have a cult following like what the M3 got with the CSLs and GTSs, Points 4 and 5 I think are very significant. The M2 still does not have the reputation that the M3 has... or rather had. To really get that reputation, I think BMW will need to build a halo car that punches way above it's weight. The E30, E46 CSL all did this. The M2 is a great car as most people have mentioned but it still isn't the giant killer that made some of the earlier M3s so desirable. I really think BMW will need to build such a car to establish the M2 similar to the M3 and somewhat guarantee a long term supply of new customers who will be drawn in by the lower starting price. Porsche will mostly put in the de-tuned 4.0L naturally aspirated motor from the GT3 in the next GT4. I really think and honestly hope that BMW tries to compete against this. The engineers probably know how to do it. I just hope BMW let's them do their job. Edit: Artemis, M3 Adjuster : Do you really like the shape of the wing on the M2 racing ? I think that would look ugly on the M2. I really hope BMW spends some money and tries to develop the wing to flow with the shape of the car. Nothing to read between the lines here BTW. Last edited by Gatte; 04-13-2018 at 04:52 PM.. |
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Newer M cars are heavy regardless of the size. It's just reality. I've accepted it because somehow the weight is disguised through driving dynamics. Regardless, a ~3100 lb. M2 CSL concept gives me a semi.
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CF roof and driveshaft (model years '15, '16, '17) also. '18 owners get "shafted".
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Not exactly sure how I missed this thread before it reached 11 pages!... but I think the biggest and best news about this upgrade is that we won't have to see anymore posts about the car not having a "real" M S## engine, "real" M mirrors and "real" M seats.
But of course we'll instead focus on new new world problems like the exhaust sound and weight gain THANK YOU BMW! |
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All F80s will have the carbon driveshaft hence the reason why BMW is stopping production this year.
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There won't be M buttons?
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"S55" just got itself an extra meaning: "Supplementary 55 kg".
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The M2 Competition does not feature the Adaptive M Suspension (BMW code 2VF) but does feature Ⓜ1 and Ⓜ2 driving mode buttons on the steering wheel.
Excerpt from one of the leaked M2 Competition pictures:
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As far as the N55 vs S55... there clearly are fans of both... Much like the E36 M3 with the OBD-1 1995 M3 vs the 1996 and up OBD-II models. There were minor differences in torque output and the motor went from 3.0 to 3.2L. in an effort to " provide more torque for the American market " since we didn't get the full monte motor with individual throttle bodies. One non M model that DOES enjoy a decent value bump still is the E46 330 ZHP cars vs the non ZHP models. The ZHP did have a better interior with alcantara bits , as well as better looking front bumpers and a rear spoiler and unique wheels as exterior appearance items along with a very minor 10 hp bump... |
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You guys are sweating the small stuff; that extra turbo will more than make up for the weight increase...
BMW Engineers: Additional weight? Just add more boost. |
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