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So basically there are no parts that can't be easily retrofitted afterwards piece meal if you wanted? If it's anywhere near 80k you'd have to be a sucker to buy it when a M2C can be had in the high 50's, low 60's.
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Enough good feedback to make collage. You mine sharing these negative reviews from these "reputable journalist" please. https://www.topgear.com/car-news/sha...-new-bmw-m4-cs https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-sho...018-bmw-m4-cs/ |
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05-21-2019, 08:44 AM | #157 |
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Exactly- if this car is priced near or over 80k, it will be just be a repeat of the M3CS, with plenty of cars still languishing on lots (people are getting huge amounts off of those cars now).
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05-21-2019, 08:51 AM | #158 | |
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I have noticed some potential owners (1M types) sitting on the sidelines waiting for the M2 they have imagined, bypassing the M2 and M2C. If the M2CS meets their wishlist, I hope it they find an allocation at a price they feel is reasonable. |
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05-21-2019, 09:27 AM | #159 | ||
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Folks are trying to put this CS in same category as the M4 CS but the M2 demographic's loyalty to model runs much deeper, almost a cult-like following. All of those 2,200 units would be spoken for before they hit the shores. I bet after the CS is sold out and BMW get everyone feigning for more, they'll probably finally then open up the catalog for ordering the MP carbon fiber parts to add to the M2C, at the port, including the controversial carbon fiber roof. |
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05-21-2019, 10:19 AM | #160 |
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05-21-2019, 10:36 AM | #161 |
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The M3/4 adaptive suspension is not the same damper/sensor/algorithm technology as the "M adaptive suspension" used on the base 2, 3 and 4 series cars.
If the M2CS gets the same tech as the F82, This will probably replace my F80. If it gets the M240i system, it will not be as capable and I'll trade up for a Porsche as originally planned.
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05-21-2019, 11:11 AM | #163 | ||
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The M version is more expensive and capable of better hydraulic performance. Also, the F8X has additional sensors on the dampers themselves that gives the ECU more accurate data as far as what the wheels and body are doing. Without these sensors, the control system cannot react to all the inputs properly and has to estimate certain behaviors. They may use the same basic algorithm (or maybe not, there's no way to know), but at the very least, it would be updated to incorporate the data from the additional sensors.
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Is that the sensors you're referring to ? |
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05-21-2019, 12:12 PM | #166 |
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Even the Ford Mustang has it now and I must say it's amazing. I never would have thought that a car that handles so well can have such a great ride.
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05-21-2019, 12:24 PM | #167 | |
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Plus the fact that you can't retrofit that M2CS badge either. Well, maybe you can, but nobody should. |
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05-21-2019, 12:35 PM | #168 |
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Yeah, I doubt that they'd ever do a CF roof install at the VDC. It's just too much work. The BMW adaptive suspension would be crazy expensive and a coding nightmare. What's feasible is M2C with 3 way adjustable coilovers, CF hood, CS+ tune and then add M Performance CF parts at will. That would get you close to a CS if the build rumors are correct.
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The adaptive suspension addition to the CS doesn't mean much to me - I am much more interested in the price point and general availability. 2200 units is going to make this hard to come by....
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No suspension, etc. |
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05-21-2019, 01:40 PM | #172 |
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So there we have it, the car we knew that was coming and a package that most of us already almost have on their cars...
Alcantara steering wheel - Check Exhaust - Check Brakes - Check (Not ceramic, don't need them) Wheels - Ordered Suspension - Ordered Badge - I can buy Carbon mirror caps - Check Carbon diffuser - Check Carbon splitter - Not considering it Carbon bonnet - Hopefully soon Carbon roof - Hopefully soon Carbon trunk - Hopefully soon Carbon center console - Not fuzzed Red and Alcantara interior trim - Not fuzzed This car will have only two things I want from it! The software for the MDM and the software for the steering... Other than that I am not fussed. My set up will be lighter, better set up and faster than the CS. Maybe I should order a CSL badge for mine. This thing must be costing 20K more than a decently packed M2C. Not sure it is worth that money in the market second hand with 911's, GT4's and M4 CS's being dumped on the market at prices lower than this M2 CS. Oh and don't forget that horrible Misano Blue. It should have had the new blue from the 8-Series or something else, not this... Also another blue for a CS? Is that a trend? Where are the reds and yellows? 2200 is a nice number, but too many really to be picked quickly. Knowing how hard it is to get dealers to sell M4 CS's I wonder how they will manage to sell these at a price tag close to 90-95K EUR or 75K GBP. MR Last edited by MR.; 05-21-2019 at 02:00 PM.. |
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In fact I bet it doesn't even go softer than the M2 base |
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I think some of you all fail to see this for what it is. It's not really an art project asking for an audience to critique it.
There's the M2. People like it a lot but many said they wanted an M engine. BMW added the M engine lowered suspension and called it the M2 C. Many said they wanted a light weight version of the M2 C. Now you have a 2200 run of a light weight M2 C. M2 CS. It's expensive because it's expensive to make not because it's competitive within its market segment. BMW is making it and it's not much of a profit generator if at all. It's for die hard track guys and M2 collectors. There's 2200. You leave this thread and go over to the M3 pure cancelation thread and it's everyone bitching about weight. Well BMW expects only 2200 in the world are actually serious about wanting to pay for the lowered weight version. It's just how manufacturing works. The e89 Z4 M roadster died before production because putting the V8 in thé roadster was too expensive and the performance was not competitive. At $100k thé Z4 M had to compete with Z06 and 911s and it wasn't there. That's ok for Z4 fans but BMW didn't think they'd ever get the money back that it would cost to produce the thing. Probably right. Ironically just go buy a 240i race guys. Way better track car than an M2 and less money. And less weight. But I expect nobody is serious about wanting less weight when it comes time to pay or deal with the comfort issues. |
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