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      05-20-2019, 07:05 PM   #133
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Even my SA said he hopes BMW learned from their M3CS pricing fiasco. He also said he thought my hope for low to mid 70s is optimistic. I'm still betting it's a little less than 75k with 6mt.
Let's hope you're right.
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Was thinking about an M2 CS but with new M3 about 1 year away(lighter and better performing) I'm not sure the M2 is that compelling anymore. A CSL versión in much more limited numbers maybe?
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      05-20-2019, 09:24 PM   #135
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I'll take it just for the added adaptive suspension and carbon fiber parts.. It's unique to the M 2 series world and I suspect will commander a high residual value.

I look at this car as the Euro-only E46 M3 CSL; one of a kind, for its time period.

It would nice it they retain the comfort access, anyone has intel on that?
E46 M3 CSL had a lot more unique items the standard E46 M3 didn't have. Just the big carbon air box was enough to distinguish the two.

Adaptive Suspensions is not a major selling point imho. People that want a comfortable ride typically don't want a two-door coupe with rear seats for midgets. Sure, there's exceptions but stock suspension is pretty good and comfortable.

M2 CS is an OEM tuned and modded M2 with warranty. There will definitively be people interested in this value proposition. This said, if you're out of warranty and have a sizable rainy day fund, any M2C owners can achieve 90% of the M2C by paying that extra 20% premium (or much less) M2CS owners end up paying.

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      05-20-2019, 09:33 PM   #136
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I'll take it just for the added adaptive suspension and carbon fiber parts.. It's unique to the M 2 series world and I suspect will commander a high residual value.

I look at this car as the Euro-only E46 M3 CSL; one of a kind, for its time period.

It would nice it they retain the comfort access, anyone has intel on that?
E46 M3 CSL had a lot more unique items the standard E46 M3 didn't have. Just the big carbon air box was enough to distinguish the two.

Adaptive Suspensions is not a major selling point imho. People that want a comfortable ride typically don't want a two-door coupe with rear seats for midgets. Sure, there's exceptions but stock suspension is pretty good and comfortable.
If adaptive suspension is not that beneficial, can you explain to me why it's coming standard in all the new G series M3/M4s.

It's a 2020 MY, it's about time the suspension has some electronic adjustability, like my 1999 Acura Tein Super Streets.

The same way the fancy 100% locking e-diff makes M cars feels so more capable. I welcome and fully embrace the technology that can manipulate the damping, on demand but that doesn't mean one cannot get by without it.

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      05-20-2019, 09:37 PM   #137
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If adaptive suspension is not that beneficial, can you explain to me why it's coming standard in all the new G series M3/M4s.

It's 2020, it's about time the suspension has some electronic adjustability, like my 1999 Acura Tein Super Streets.

The same way the fancy 100% locking e-diff makes M cars feels so more capable. I welcome and fully embrace the technology that can manipulate the damping, on demand but that doesn't mean one cannot get by without the technology.
No one is arguing that Adaptive Suspension is not beneficial.

But at the same time, very few M2 owners have complained about the stock suspension.

I've driven M4's with Adaptive Suspension and without. There's a noticeable difference but we're not talking about Rolls Royce Air suspension.

It's becoming standard because that's how the car industry tends to innovate. Flagship model features of five years ago now become standard on new cars. As a car company in a very competitive market, you always have to offer 'more', even if the end result isn't much of an upgrade.
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      05-20-2019, 09:39 PM   #138
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No CF fenders or trunk?
I'm with Artemis in thinking CF fender is a huge plus if it comes as a standard equipment with the CS.

Special edition must to be sufficiently aesthetically differentiated.
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      05-20-2019, 09:47 PM   #139
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If adaptive suspension is not that beneficial, can you explain to me why it's coming standard in all the new G series M3/M4s.

It's 2020, it's about time the suspension has some electronic adjustability, like my 1999 Acura Tein Super Streets.

The same way the fancy 100% locking e-diff makes M cars feels so more capable. I welcome and fully embrace the technology that can manipulate the damping, on demand but that doesn't mean one cannot get by without the technology.


But at the same time, very few M2 owners have complained about the stock suspension.
Exactly what I said; you can get by without adaptive suspension, just like how the regular peasants that own the Non-M BMWs somehow by God's good graces, forges on with their inferior standard vehicles. Poor souls

I just appreciate the added technology and understand the limitations of static springs and only a manipulatable dampers there would be a compromise and can't always be "felt." But its an improvement nonetheless over a static setup and I'll take it.
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Do we know (or guess) whether BMW will continue to sell the competition along with the CS?
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      05-20-2019, 11:03 PM   #141
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well i guess im going 2 wait till the new motor in the "G" /// cry now / smile later
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      05-20-2019, 11:06 PM   #142
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Do we know (or guess) whether BMW will continue to sell the competition along with the CS?
yes EOP for m2c is 06/2021 if i remember right
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      05-21-2019, 12:01 AM   #143
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Guys, it’s got the carbon goodies where it counts: hood (to reduce mass at the front and improve the weight distribution) and roof (to reduce the CG).

A CF front lip which is likely to get damaged or scratched to hell is asinine IMO. Porsche does it in matte black plastic on the GT3, BMW should pay attention.

A CF trunk might actually make the weight distribution worse (albeit reducing overall mass), and the carbon fenders can’t save that much weight. Maybe they’re a 50% fancy, 50% functional item.

The ZCP seats are better than the regular ones, I’ve had both. The stitching doesn’t hurt performance. Adaptive suspension is important for folks living in areas with neglected/bad roads, it makes the car more usable more of the time. I use Comfort a lot in daily driving, especially with the GC camber plates I need some extra compliance on the DC potholed roads.


Should be a good car. Worth the money? Of course if you can afford it .

Actually the thing I’d miss the most compared to my M3 would be the HUD, I’ve fallen in love with it. But I wouldn’t keep a car just because of that, and the days of me needing 4 doors are coming to an end soon. Sign me up.
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      05-21-2019, 12:03 AM   #144
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No one is arguing that Adaptive Suspension is not beneficial.
I am, but just stating my own personal opinion. My E39 M5 and Z4M coupe obviously have passive suspensions. The cars have much different suspensions given their respective purposes but both are spot-on. I can barely (well, to be honest, not at all) tell the difference between the different suspension settings on my F80 M3, and none of them match the purposeful settings of my other M cars.

IMO, bring on a well-calibrated passive M-suspension. Looking forward to my M2C.
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No CF fenders or trunk?
I'm with Artemis in thinking CF fender is a huge plus if it comes as a standard equipment with the CS.
Special edition must to be sufficiently aesthetically differentiated.
So far I've seen no signs that CF fenders (M2 M Performance Parts) will also be included on the M2 CS.

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Back when I bought my M3 I test drove with and without adaptive suspension. Inferior when you compare it to other systems on the market. For instance GM’s magnetic ride is leaps and bounds better. I ended up opting out of the adaptive suspension as I found some coilovers would be a better solution.

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Do we know (or guess) whether BMW will continue to sell the competition along with the CS?
They surely will continue to sell Competition.
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No CF fenders or trunk?
I'm with Artemis in thinking CF fender is a huge plus if it comes as a standard equipment with the CS.
Special edition must to be sufficiently aesthetically differentiated.
So far I've seen no signs that CF fenders (M2 M Performance Parts) will also be included on the M2 CS.

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Then I can't image how ridiculously low value the 85k M2 CS will be, when the fully loaded 75k 500hp G82 competition is out.

It's also funny how people are getting all heated up by paying more now for what F80/82 competition had from the beginning.
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So far I've seen no signs that CF fenders (M2 M Performance Parts) will also be included on the M2 CS.

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Yup, not happening. Parts department will gladly sell you a pair.
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Excited to buy the carbon center console part.
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Excited to buy the carbon center console part.
Most of the time on limited production vehicles, bespoke parts are not allowed to be purchased unless you own the vehicle.

Not sure if that applies to this particular vehicle but last time I checked it was prohibited up to the E92 GTS, which was vin-locked from ordering parts.
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So essentially a BMW M2C with the full M-Performance Catalogue, Adaptive suspensions and a tune?
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does this mean SMB is available ? what would be the msrp on this. $80k max?
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M3 Comp (dct)- $74,150
M3 CS- $98,250
CS Premium- +33%

M4 Comp (dct)- $76,800
M4 CS- $103,100
CS Premium- +34%

Theoretically...M2 CS ($58,900 + 33.5%)=
$78,680 (manual)
$81,580 (dct)

Now take into consideration the M3 and M4 already have things like carbon roof, adaptive suspension built into the base car. I'd wouldn't be surprised if msrp is over $80k.


Loaded with dct and carbon ceramics, it will be into the $90k's. Carbon ceramics are an $8k option.
I think you're right on - I've been guessing 80-85 for a while now.

If they're smart, they won't price it that high. it would be pretty compelling for ~70, but we will see what they do.
I don't think you guys are factoring in ADM. the lucky ones will snatch this at MSRP, but the majority will have to cough up probably at least 10-30k OVER sticker considering there'll only be 2,200 produced within 9 months then it's over.

Moreover, the new generation M2 may not come in 6spd.
How do arrive at the 2200 number? Is that for USA and Canada only? Details please?

Any figures for worldwide production?

Not sure how high over MSRP it will go??? The M3/4cs are selling under MSRP around here in Northern Virginia.

Also, the new M2 will be assembled in Mexico 😩
It's in the OP. It will go for over MSRP since the mass produced M2C is going for MSRP, and was going for higher when initially released.

You can't compare to the M3/M4CS since people consider the M3, the real M3. Others might think the M2CS is the next 1M also so...
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So far I've seen no signs that CF fenders (M2 M Performance Parts) will also be included on the M2 CS.

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I do find it interesting that the red calipers show up on a car with the carbon fenders. It would be very easy to add them last minute. I like the look, but am actually glad if they aren't added as I don't believe the cost will be worth it.

Carbon Front lip: I have one on my f-type and damage clearly seems to be a function of ride height. Mine has remained unscathed after a few cringeworthy moments, but the car sits kinda high IMO. Not a part I want to replace. It also has a plastic flap beneath it that has not been so lucky.
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The biggest alarm bell for me is adaptive suspension? Think about it guys - adaptive suspension is there to switch between comfort and sport (in essence)... only M2 to get is is the club sport version? Aka, the lightweight track version? A feature that adds weight and only available in the lightest M2 yet... really?
The M2 CS is going adaptive suspension, it was previously confirmed..

Believe it or not, the Adaptive M Suspension is actually lighter than the regular static dampers because it's made out of forged aluminum and the static dampers are made of steel.
Consider me corrected and stunned. If that's the case, why in earth would it be present in the m240i and not the M2/M2C? Makes no sense. It doesn't add weight, obviously provides just as good track performance (if it's being included in the CS), it's not expensive (available in cheaper models). BMW continues to confuse and frustrate me.
A lot of reputable journalists said they were glad M kept Adaptive Suspension out of the M2C.

I personally also don't care for it.
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