[blckz06]

Originally Posted by M2BSM17

Ah.. I miss read it. If you can afford the 991.2 and don’t need a back seat, I’d go 911.

Yeah, I think I could stretch for a used early model 991.2 vs a new M2 Comp. I would need back seats once in a while for my kids. I assumed rear space would be similar between the two.

[blckz06]

Originally Posted by MiamiM235iEstorilBlue

Had a 991.1 911, 2013 base, manual. Now have a 2016 M2. They were both awesome and to me, sort of equivalent in excitement. I found the Porsche much more beautiful, though. You can stare at its rear haunches in your driveway, the forged 20" wheels, the iconic and voluptuous shape. The M2 is certainly nice, but not on the same level aesthetically, for me.

The 2019+ M2C, with its increase in power and braking, would likely be the more exciting car to drive as base 911's can feel a little sedate. However, the tradeoff is the 911 has a better ride, is quieter on the highway, and a nicer interior. The M2 sound system is pure crap too, if thats a factor.

911 service costs can be scary too but, M2 isn't exactly cheap. M2 is much more DIY friendly if that's your thing. The rear-engine placement makes it much more difficult to do anything beyond oil-changes on a 911. I'd never get a Porsche anything out of CPO or some warranty. On the 911, I was quoted $7.5k for a clutch, plugs, coil packs, and full 50k service. Yikes!

If you're financially well off, I'd go for a lightly used 991.2 911 GTS or GT3 or even the latest 992 or GT4/Spyder, they're truly special cars. If you are motivated by value, all Porsche's are a hard argument to get behind and the M2C is a totally thrilling car considering it's price. I'd also keep an eye on the upcoming C8, very hard to overlook the value equation there.

Thanks for your feedback. GTS/GT3 are definitely out of budget! Mainly angling for a 2017 CPO base Carrera, which wouldn't be that much more than M2 depending on mileage.

[Anthony1s]

Originally Posted by srmast1

Isn't having a powerful, rear wheel drive vehicle as your daily in the northeast kind of a bad idea? That Porsche or M2 is going to be difficult at best in the winter. Wouldn't it make more sense to find an AWD vehicle for daily duty in areas with snowy winters and very rainy falls? I believe Porsche does make some AWD vehicles.. As far as the BMW goes, a M240i xdrive might do quite a bit better where you live. I'm not a fan of my m2 in the rain and I would not even want to test it in the snow. My m2 is my daily, but it shares duty with a 2008 A4 quatro for bad weather.

We haven't had snow yet here, but we did have a day with freezing rain stuck to the roads (the type that leaves a cm+ of ice coating your car) and I remember having to be extra careful with my M2. Even though I have Sottozero snow tires, 265/285 size, it was still sliding on turns. I was also driving in DSC Off mode, manual shifting, and mine is FBO BM3 Stg 2. So would likely handle much better with traction control on and/or a lighter foot. Maybe a turbo upgrade too, so the torque comes in more smoothly

But, so far, when it's raining and cold (mid 20F) mine is seriously so much grippier than driving with summer tires, in the rain, in July.

I also have the advantage of not really needing to be anywhere at a specific time, so I can wait until the roads are clear if I have to. So if OP has places to be and can't wait... I can't speak for how the M2 handles in the scenario.

Didn't really want to drive my M2 in winter, had a 2nd car, but with my experience so far, it seems I'd be pretty capable. At least for what I need it for.

M2 beats out the Porsche as a daily though, for two reasons. More trunk space. Being able to fit long things like fishing poles. And front engine is more accessible to work on. As I'll be doing maintenance myself after warranty expires. Spark plugs seem like a PIA in the Porsche.

[mrdstr]

Having both a 991 and an M2C, let me ask, what experience do you want? The M2C has better egress/ingress to the back and you can fit larger humans in the back compared to the 991. if you need back seats, go with the M2. As Anthony1s said, the trunk space on the M2 is superior to the 991, so depending on your needs this is another plus for M2. The M2 is front engined, rear drive. Makes a great hoon mobile, especially if you enjoy throttle on oversteer. You can do this in the 991 too, but it takes more commitment to the throttle and skill with all the rear grip these cars have. The 991 has a better ride, especially if you have sport PASM and can dial the dampers based on roads and mood. It sounds loads better too. The 991 is my wife's daily. The M2C is mine. I chose the M2C over a 997 variant or cayman for the cargo needs (I carry a lot of crap every day), hoon capability, and the modern tech vs an older used Porsche.

[MiamiM235iEstorilBlue]

Originally Posted by blckz06

Thanks for your feedback. GTS/GT3 are definitely out of budget! Mainly angling for a 2017 CPO base Carrera, which wouldn't be that much more than M2 depending on mileage.

A 2017 is already the new gen with the turbo motors. Never drove those, assume they feel quite a bit faster, more thrilling. Dont know about the sound they make though but, probably pretty good. I'd do the 2017 CPO 911 over an M2C but I don't think the excitement either offers is worlds apart.

The 911 also has a very different curb appeal, if that matters to you. The M2C is largely under the radar, unless you're an enthusiast, which is something I like.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by srmast1

Isn't having a powerful, rear wheel drive vehicle as your daily in the northeast kind of a bad idea? That Porsche or M2 is going to be difficult at best in the winter. Wouldn't it make more sense to find an AWD vehicle for daily duty in areas with snowy winters and very rainy falls? I believe Porsche does make some AWD vehicles.. As far as the BMW goes, a M240i xdrive might do quite a bit better where you live. I'm not a fan of my m2 in the rain and I would not even want to test it in the snow. My m2 is my daily, but it shares duty with a 2008 A4 quatro for bad weather.

If you're worried about the m2 in the rain, you definitely need an AWD SUV with all season tires.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by blckz06

Yeah, I think I could stretch for a used early model 991.2 vs a new M2 Comp. I would need back seats once in a while for my kids. I assumed rear space would be similar between the two.

The m2 has a lot not rear space and a lot more trunk. Rear seats fold down so you can put but stuff in and do a Costco run no problem. If it had rear doors it would be the perfect daily for me.

[Luongo]

If the prices are the same, I would go with the Porsche. One is a dedicated sports car and the other is a souped up 2 series.

As for the maintenance cost of a 911, annual oil change will cost about $400. 2 year 20,000 mile service will cost about $1,000 (includes oil change) and the 4 year 40,000 mile service (includes oil + spark plug change) will cost about $2,000.

If you are handy, you can do most of the maintenance services yourself and save a boat load of money.

I would go for the Porsche if you don't need the back seats all that much and the M2 if you do.

[blckz06]

Originally Posted by mrdstr

Having both a 991 and an M2C, let me ask, what experience do you want? The M2C has better egress/ingress to the back and you can fit larger humans in the back compared to the 991. if you need back seats, go with the M2. As Anthony1s said, the trunk space on the M2 is superior to the 991, so depending on your needs this is another plus for M2. The M2 is front engined, rear drive. Makes a great hoon mobile, especially if you enjoy throttle on oversteer. You can do this in the 991 too, but it takes more commitment to the throttle and skill with all the rear grip these cars have. The 991 has a better ride, especially if you have sport PASM and can dial the dampers based on roads and mood. It sounds loads better too. The 991 is my wife's daily. The M2C is mine. I chose the M2C over a 997 variant or cayman for the cargo needs (I carry a lot of crap every day), hoon capability, and the modern tech vs an older used Porsche.

Thanks for chiming in. I would say hoon capability is near the top of the list. My main concern with the M2C is the apparently pretty rough ride, particularly for early mornings/ crappy days when you just want to get to work in relative comfort. I don't think base carreras has PASM but believe the adjustable shocks come standard on 991.2.

Do you have a view on reliability between the two? Also, can you comment on DCT vs PDK, any noticeable difference?

[LuvMyE92]

Originally Posted by devo

I have never been quoted anywhere near $500 for an oil change on any of my Porsches.

I was quoted $450 for an oil change on my Panamera S (V8) in 2013.

I always change my own oil unless it's free (BMW maintenance). It is very easy to do on Porsches.

Originally Posted by MiamiM235iEstorilBlue

However, the tradeoff is the 911 has a better ride, is quieter on the highway, and a nicer interior. The M2 sound system is pure crap too, if thats a factor.

I had a 991.1S and I found the base stereo to be worse than anything I have ever had in anything except maybe that nasty Hyundai rental last year. The ride quality might be slightly better in the 911, road noise for me was worse than in the M2. And in the M2, I was able to add in more sound insulation (factory bits) which helped. No such option to do that in a 911.

Originally Posted by blckz06

Do you have a view on reliability between the two? Also, can you comment on DCT vs PDK, any noticeable difference?

I think the PDK is the best DCT on the market. That said, I always buy a manual when given the option. Once in a while the PDK got confused and took a while to determine what it was that I wanted and how it was going to get there. I've only driven DCT at BMW performance center events, and it was almost always in manual mode.

After a year with my 991.1S/7 (which followed a 997.2 and a 993 and a 964) I found it to lack soul, character and excitement. It's a fabulous car, don't get me wrong, it's just that with every iteration the performance gets better and it loses more charm. I actually replaced it with a 981 Boxster S, which is a better car in every regard, but I know the OP needs a back seat.

The other thing not mentioned in the comments (that I noticed) is that the M2 is significantly less expensive to buy.

[Ian ///M]

Originally Posted by kepler

Having owned all of the water-cooled generations of the 911 (except the 992, thankfully), the 997.2 is the sweet spot. I actually just bought another with the funds I had set aside for the M2 CS.

This post changed my whole life and added clarity. thank you

[mrdstr]

Originally Posted by blckz06

Thanks for chiming in. I would say hoon capability is near the top of the list. My main concern with the M2C is the apparently pretty rough ride, particularly for early mornings/ crappy days when you just want to get to work in relative comfort. I don't think base carreras has PASM but believe the adjustable shocks come standard on 991.2.

Do you have a view on reliability between the two? Also, can you comment on DCT vs PDK, any noticeable difference?

I can't comment on the PDK or the DCT. Both of mine are manual. You would need to drive them and see.
For a ride comparison, the M2C rides about the same as the GTS in sport PASM. If i turn the sport dampers off, the GTS is more compliant; less jarring over bumps really. Also keep in mind that the factory pressure on modern 911s is 45psi rear. The comfort setting (which is not recommend for speeds over 140 i think) is 32psi. The car handles and feels much better at this pressure. If you test drive one from a dealer, it will likely be at 45, but check the TPMS.

[positiveions]

Originally Posted by mrs.boost

Buy the Porsche if you don't mind paying $500 for an oil change

There is a video on YouTube of a woman performing her own maintenance on a 996. Maybe watching her video can save that $500.

[srmast1]

Originally Posted by akkando

If you're worried about the m2 in the rain, you definitely need an AWD SUV with all season tires.

Indeed, that or a sedan with AWD and all season tires.

[Bob Shiftright]

Porsche 993 oil change:

[oldmanstyle]

Originally Posted by srmast1

Isn't having a powerful, rear wheel drive vehicle as your daily in the northeast kind of a bad idea? That Porsche or M2 is going to be difficult at best in the winter. Wouldn't it make more sense to find an AWD vehicle for daily duty in areas with snowy winters and very rainy falls? I believe Porsche does make some AWD vehicles.. As far as the BMW goes, a M240i xdrive might do quite a bit better where you live. I'm not a fan of my m2 in the rain and I would not even want to test it in the snow. My m2 is my daily, but it shares duty with a 2008 A4 quatro for bad weather.

I've read that RWD 911's do relatively well in the snow given the additional weight over the driven axle.

[Luongo]

I had ordered a Hockenheim silver M2C back in spring but when the car was held at the local dealer for 3 weeks for the airbag recall, I changed my mind and got this instead.

[termigni]

Originally Posted by Luongo

I had ordered a Hockenheim silver M2C back in spring but when the car was held at the local dealer for 3 weeks for the airbag recall, I changed my mind and got this instead.

perfect spec!

[grl.racr]

Originally Posted by devo

I have never been quoted anywhere near $500 for an oil change on any of my Porsches. My GT3 costs less than half that amount and holds 7 quarts of oil.

Unfortunately that's the going rate at the P dealers here in Canada.. most things are overpriced and we have a terrible exchange rate in comparison to USD..

Originally Posted by positiveions

There is a video on YouTube of a woman performing her own maintenance on a 996. Maybe watching her video can save that $500.

I live in a condo, it's against our bylaw to do any work on the cars

[devo]

Originally Posted by mrs.boost

Unfortunately that's the going rate at the P dealers here in Canada.. most things are overpriced and we have a terrible exchange rate in comparison to USD..



I live in a condo, it's against our bylaw to do any work on the cars

Understood

[devo]

Originally Posted by Luongo

I had ordered a Hockenheim silver M2C back in spring but when the car was held at the local dealer for 3 weeks for the airbag recall, I changed my mind and got this instead.

Sweet ride

[Bumpinjeep]

Are you looking to buy a new M2C or a used one? Is this going to be a daily? If it's a daily and you can get a new one, I would go with the BMW, if this is a fun weekend car, then go with the Porsche.