[seis-speed]

Originally Posted by norMcal

This M2C is supposed to replace my fully sorted and pristine e46 M3, which I have down to under 3200 lbs, without making compromises to not having radio, A/C or rear seats. I am having serious doubts it's worth for me to sell it and fork out another $35k to get this car, if it is that heavy.

This poster has his OG M2 down to 3273lbs, but it required losing the backseats.

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1441972

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

This poster has his OG M2 down to 3273lbs, but it required losing the backseats.

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1441972

What was the Euro DIN weight of M2(N55)? M2C DIN weight is 1550kg(90% fuel, no driver, no cargo) or 3417lbs.

Should be possible to get down to similar weight with new Mperf parts and some of that owners weight savings measures.

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

What was the Euro DIN weight of M2(N55)? M2C DIN weight is 1550kg(90% fuel, no driver, no cargo) or 3417lbs.

Should be possible to get down to similar weight with new Mperf parts and some of that owners weight savings measures.

1495kg or 3290lbs.

[M3_WC]

Just to show whats possible if you really have a hard-on for losing weight and/or a big budget. For the people complaining about not getting lightweight parts of the M4, therefore raising the price. There are now Mperf parts offered and a plethora of aftermarket parts to get it done. Just put your money where your mouth is.

1,371 kg (3,022 lbs) M2 with a S55 swap.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2017/05/08/60...-stand-in-csl/

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Let me correct that for you:
If you want a lighter weight car in the same category, go buy the current M2 with 6MT.

If weight matters a lot for you. Let's face it: the current/oldskool M2 isn't 'lightweight'. The 6MT M2 has the same 1495 kg weight of the E46 M3 and E82 1M. True that safety and environmental legislation has evolved in the meantime (requiring to implement changes). But so did/does lightweight materials technology.

The current M2 is approx. 10% less muscular (40hp & 50Nm delta) and doesn't feature the many 2018 optimizations & gizmos. That's a fact. But it got better fuel consumption (less thirsty engine and less weight to move around), less CO2 emissions (less taxes in many countries), better weight distribution and doesn't require you to spend extra money on M Performance Parts on top of the increased price to approach the already-rather-heavy 1495 kg weight figure.

It's perfectly OK to ask BMW M boss Frank van Meel questions about for example the redesigned side mirrors and red start/stop button. But please also ask him some hard questions about the further increase of the already high body mass index of the M2, about the apparent approach of 'fighting' increased weight by adding power but with equally hosting at the same time some kind of pay-per-reduced-kilo M Performance Parts slimming program (alike providing a bigger size of pants to 'remedy' increased body weight + offering at a price an optional gym subscription program). And give him the hat tip to make the possible 2019/2020 M2 variant '6MT only' (alike the 1M and the Porsche 911R): that measure effortlessly saves that car already 25 kg at once (just ensure that the manual gearbox can handle all the power 'thrown' at it). Thank me later.

The M3 CS just clocked in at 3494 lbs.

453 hp and 443 ft -lbs

2018 BMW M3 CS First Drive Review | Love, at last -

https://apple.news/APkWWtY5NTfu_8QxmGnxy-Q


BMW M is gonna have to work to save some weight for an M2 *further progress*. That or try and really up the power with a full on M(an) sized tune and they might even need to go with water injection.

Agree with you that they clearly need to keep 6MT as an option because it gives them a lower start value on the weight reduction efforts.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

The M3 CS just clocked in at 3494 lbs.

453 hp and 443 ft -lbs

2018 BMW M3 CS First Drive Review | Love, at last -

https://apple.news/APkWWtY5NTfu_8QxmGnxy-Q


BMW is gonna have to work to save some weight for an M2 *further progress*. That or try and really up the power with water injection.

Eh, that is Autoblog. They are not actually putting cars on scales. That is a regurgitated number. SportAuto tested a CS yet?

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Eh, that is Autoblog. They are not actually putting cars on scales. That is a regurgitated number. SportAuto tested a CS yet?

not in the market for an M3 CS...but it does looks like it's a knockout in the final round.

It also means that BMW M2 further progress (M2 CS or CSL) has a bar to set for it to be lighter than an M3 CS. The M2 comp is 3600 lbs so it's gotta go on at least a 106 lb diet so it at least weighs less than a 4 door.

BMW can save about 35 lbs by making a manual.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by chris719

Does it really matter? There are kids with driver's licenses younger than 2001 E46 M3s. It is a great car but the performance in all ways pales in comparison to an M2. No car weighs what they did in 2001. A 2001 Mustang weighed just over 3000 lbs. An M2C will smoke any E46 on the track and won't have it's subframe torn up either. If you get an M2C you will love it I'm sure. If weight is a priority you have to look at Porsche, and even those gained some weight in the past decade.

Also Mazda

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by cntzl

1495kg or 3290lbs.

??? Wait what ??

He took out the seats and got the weight to be 3273 on a car that( in Europe allegedly) weighs 3295 lbs ??

I would love to see the list of mods.

Because the Euro weight = Lies.

Just like the US page has never corrected a misprint. The EURO one also made an error by quoting the OG M2 is the same exact weight to the kilo as the 1M.

The US weight of 3450.... clearly is more In line.

[mToronto]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Just to show whats possible if you really have a hard-on for losing weight and/or a big budget. For the people complaining about not getting lightweight parts of the M4, therefore raising the price. There are now Mperf parts offered and a plethora of aftermarket parts to get it done. Just put your money where your mouth is.

1,371 kg (3,022 lbs) M2 with a S55 swap.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2017/05/08/60...-stand-in-csl/

I wonder if they sell the CF doors to the public?

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by Spa2k

Correct, but last I saw the number was closer to 25%. As with the brakes, we won’t know until BMW speaks.

No, it has been 33% forever now -- federal motor code regulations on the quoted weight of vehicle.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

No, the legally requied US figures must be for the car must include any option expected to be in 33% or more of vehicles sold. In addition, the car must be full capacity for fuel, oil, and coolant.

Originally Posted by CSBM5

If BMW expects 33% or more M2C to be sold with sunroofs, then it must be included in the official US weight specification.

Originally Posted by CSBM5

No, it has been 33% forever now -- federal motor code regulations on the quoted weight of vehicle.

Yup, BMW has new sales data from previous years. Take rates on certain packages/options. Also addition of standard features that were once options.

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by Tag

There's no excuse for a manufacturer to publish incorrect information on their product, it's literally the primary source for everyone in the world to quote as factual information. Mistakes happen, but where are the corrections? Most go unaddressed. The only one that comes to mind recently where BMW actually addressed it was the misprint (misrepresentation) of the N55B30T0 as having a closed deck. BMW ultimately removed the closed deck reference from their websites and elsewhere. I personally believe this was largely in part, because of multiple threads on the subject by members like us questioning if this was actually true which got their attention.

It just doesn't make sense not to immediately correct errors when they are pointed out/found. As I'm sure is the case for many here, it wouldn't happen on my watch (more than once anyway).

We're going to spec 6MT and slicktop (plus the bigger brakes if they're a US option), so when it's here later this year I'm going to weigh it to see what's up (full tank of gas too). When I weighed my E39 M5 many years ago, it came in about 45lbs lighter than the US spec weight. There were few options available on that car, but the one I don't have is a fold-down rear seat.

[norMcal]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

This poster has his OG M2 down to 3273lbs, but it required losing the backseats.

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1441972

If I wanted to lose the backseats I'd get a Cayman. ;-). No seriously, I know that you can get the weight lower, but I was really hoping not to have to resort to those kind of things. I feel the main argument for a BMW is the fact that it is a sports sedan, aka has rear seats.
FWIW, I take out the rear fold down seats for track days on my car, as it only takes one screw and a couple of minutes of labor and is good for ~25 lbs of extra weight savings. If the M2 uses the same style seats I could do the same.

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Just to show whats possible if you really have a hard-on for losing weight and/or a big budget. For the people complaining about not getting lightweight parts of the M4, therefore raising the price. There are now Mperf parts offered and a plethora of aftermarket parts to get it done. Just put your money where your mouth is.

1,371 kg (3,022 lbs) M2 with a S55 swap.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2017/05/08/60...-stand-in-csl/

Yes, but no having them factory installed is a deal breaker for many. I mean who wants their roof hacked up on a brand new $70k car?

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

??? Wait what ??

He took out the seats and got the weight to be 3273 on a car that( in Europe allegedly) weighs 3295 lbs ??

I would love to see the list of mods.

Because the Euro weight = Lies.

Just like the US page has never corrected a misprint. The EURO one also made an error by quoting the OG M2 is the same exact weight to the kilo as the 1M.

The US weight of 3450.... clearly is more In line.

It looks like he use Recaro PP Seats. That is an instant ~80 lbs less. Rear seats got to be about 40 lbs, lightweight battery could be 40 lbs also, depending on what kind . Then add exhaust, rims and a few other things. I can potentially see 200 lbs.
Either way the seats are a big compromise. Those are fixed and give no access to the rear, even if one were to put them back for street use.

[norMcal]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

not in the market for an M3 CS...but it does looks like it's a knockout in the final round.

You really make an excellent point. I am of the same opinion as many others, the M3 & M4 are too big, which is why I want an M2. However, if the weight of the M3C now is less than that of the M2C, offers factory installed CF roof, adjustable dampers (another big plus) and one can get it for less than a new M2 Competition, I really have to start questioning my own motives.

A quick search on cars.com and I found several for $65-$68k with just a few thousand miles on them.

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by norMcal

You really make an excellent point. I am of the same opinion as many others, the M3 & M4 are too big, which is why I want an M2. However, if the weight of the M3 CS now is less than that of the M2C, offers factory installed CF roof, adjustable dampers (another big plus) and one can get it for less than a new M2 Competition, I really have to start questioning my own motives.

A quick search on cars.com and I found several for $65-$68k with just a few thousand miles on them.

M3 CS is not same as M3 Competition Package (ZCP). M3 CS starts at $98K so good luck getting it for less than M2C money However, I see your point. M3/M4 ZCP still weighs less than M2C according to the US spec sheets. There are very aggressive discounts and incentives right now and you can score a nicely optioned M3 Comp for mid to high 60s.

[norMcal]

Originally Posted by cntzl

M3 CS is not same as M3 Competition Package (ZCP). M3 CS starts at $98K so good luck getting it for less than M2C money However, I see your point. M3/M4 ZCP still weighs less than M2C according to the US spec sheets. There are very aggressive discounts and incentives right now and you can score a nicely optioned M3 Comp for mid to high 60s.

YEs, of course. My mistake. I'll edit that. Thanks

Check this M4C. Even has Carbon Ceramic Brakes (not that I'd want those for track use necessarily)
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...469_isFeatured

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

The M3 CS just clocked in at 3494 lbs.
453 hp and 443 ft -lbs
2018 BMW M3 CS First Drive Review | Love, at last -
https://apple.news/APkWWtY5NTfu_8QxmGnxy-Q
BMW M is gonna have to work to save some weight for an M2 *further progress*. That or try and really up the power with a full on M(an) sized tune and they might even need to go with water injection.
Agree with you that they clearly need to keep 6MT as an option because it gives them a lower start value on the weight reduction efforts.

The worrying aspect remains the 'drop the deal' (or at least 'pause') move around Autumn 2017, as if BMW M called it a day. More recent rumors are encouraging. We can only keep hoping.

Water injection: the trouble is that this feature adds weight. That's what BMW M pointed out when it discussed the M4 GTS back in 2015: see here.

[Spa2k]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

No, it has been 33% forever now -- federal motor code regulations on the quoted weight of vehicle.

25% estimated on the take rate for moonroofs...

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Yup, BMW has new sales data from previous years. Take rates on certain packages/options. Also addition of standard features that were once options.

The first year for the M2 moonroof was 2018, which is still in production. There will be no official numbers until end of production, which is exactly what happened with the 2017 M2s.

Discussions like this where facts aren’t available, people aren’t reading (or misunderstanding) or the poster isn’t crystal clear for all levels of BMW comprehension are worthless. This has gone way beyond speculation to just silliness.

[seis-speed]

Originally Posted by Tag

Hoping we get some damn reviews before SOP. The problem here is there's no way for us to test drive it, so all we can do I rely on reviews for now. If reviews are intentionally on an ///Mbargo until the cars start to arrive I will defer my order. I'm not making a major investment without know what I'm getting.

Looking on Instagram there are Comps sitting at various places around The World, but people are not allowed to drive them. The amount of comps made to date; it would be simple for BMW to allow some testing reviews.

It is an obvious ///Mbargo....

So a buyer that wants an S55 might consider an M3: Running out of time allocations are drying up. If you love the N55 sound “cough” “cough”...you could still consider the M2: Running out of time allocations are drying up.

If you are number 1 or 2 at your dealer. They (your dealer) will probably want your order next week. At current date, we have no idea how this M2 Competition handles the weight that may or may not be completely accurate?

In the meantime all you have is this. M2 & Comp at The Nurburgring.

OG

LCI

Comp

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by norMcal

Yes, but no having them factory installed is a deal breaker for many. I mean who wants their roof hacked up on a brand new $70k car?

Don’t get the roof, of all the body parts it is the least weight savings.

Originally Posted by norMcal

It looks like he use Recaro PP Seats. That is an instant ~80 lbs less. Rear seats got to be about 40 lbs, lightweight battery could be 40 lbs also, depending on what kind . Then add exhaust, rims and a few other things. I can potentially see 200 lbs.
Either way the seats are a big compromise. Those are fixed and give no access to the rear, even if one were to put them back for street use.

Recaro Sportster CS(not fixed) seats with brackets are 33lbs. M4 seats are 60lbs. 54lbs right there.

[mtoosexy]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Don’t get the roof, of all the body parts it is the least weight savings.

Hint.... (Most aren't only doing it for the weight savings). It looks cool and it makes it more "M"?
I would pay $1500 for it IF it were a factory option!!!