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If you want a lighter weight car in the same category, go buy the current M2 with 6MT. If weight matters a lot for you. Let's face it: the current/oldskool M2 isn't 'lightweight'. The 6MT M2 has the same 1495 kg weight of the E46 M3 and E82 1M. True that safety and environmental legislation has evolved in the meantime (requiring to implement changes). But so did/does lightweight materials technology. The current M2 is approx. 10% less muscular (40hp & 50Nm delta) and doesn't feature the many 2018 optimizations & gizmos. That's a fact. But it got better fuel consumption (less thirsty engine and less weight to move around), less CO2 emissions (less taxes in many countries), better weight distribution and doesn't require you to spend extra money on M Performance Parts on top of the increased price to approach the already-rather-heavy 1495 kg weight figure. It's perfectly OK to ask BMW M boss Frank van Meel questions about for example the redesigned side mirrors and red start/stop button. But please also ask him some hard questions about the further increase of the already high body mass index of the M2, about the apparent approach of 'fighting' increased weight by adding power but with equally hosting at the same time some kind of pay-per-reduced-kilo M Performance Parts slimming program (alike providing a bigger size of pants to 'remedy' increased body weight + offering at a price an optional gym subscription program). And give him the hat tip to make the possible 2019/2020 M2 variant '6MT only' (alike the 1M and the Porsche 911R): that measure effortlessly saves that car already 25 kg at once (just ensure that the manual gearbox can handle all the power 'thrown' at it). Thank me later.
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DCT is not an automatic, but an automated manual. It has no torque converter, and two wet clutches. In manual mode, it will not shift into the next gear like an Auto, but hit/bounce off the red-line just like a MT. I agree with your other points.
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The M2C is hardly a GT3-type vehicle...
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Neither was the S2000... but I know you know what I mean. Why are they calling it “Competition” then if they don’t intend it to perform on the track, where weight is critical? Probably an eating competition is what they’re referring to.
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It is 150 lbs on a street car, seriously, people need to get a grip. |
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You will find that the M2C performs better on track I am sure. It is faster, has better cooling, and brakes that will hold up better. So yes, it is better on track. |
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FWIW a 981 Cayman GT4 weighs more than a base Cayman. Maybe Porsche should stop taking the GM route also. Maybe you should trade your Z4 35is for a 28 for improved dynamics also? News flash: The M2 and M2C are primarily street cars. They were and are not the fastest or most dynamically capable cars on track for their price. |
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So they use to say all the weight was going to be up front. Guess that one is dead. |
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It is f*cking hilarious. There are a few current M2 owners that are locks to show up and talk sh*t in each new thread. The same ones that get sensitive when you refer to N55 M2 as Civic M2.
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I don't agree at all with what you are saying. The more we say "you can't feel the extra 150lbs" the more weight they will continue to add along with more power. Is this extra 150lbs all because of the S55? Why cannot they offer us a base M2C with none of fancy features/accessories and manual seats? (Just keep the price same and make everything a no cost option. Is this so difficult?) Why are we getting a US spec car which is 182lbs heavier than the EU spec? Anyways... Sorry but I cannot just say "oh BMW finally gave me S55 in a smaller car so I don't care if it weighs 150lbs more because I probably won't feel it". |
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What I disagree with is the theory that a majority of the buyers will spend thousands, literally thousands to specifically purchase all the M Perf fenders, trunk, roof, ect just specifically to bring the vehicle weight down 150 pounds and not for aesthetic reasons. There are buyers who drive the car daily, weekly, or occasional track. They won’t care about the extra 120 pounds or 3% weight on a 3600 pound vehicle. Then there are buyers who track occasionally or competitively who must have something lighter. They have a fair point and going the extent to replace genders, removing seats, sound deading, ect is what it takes to get it right. My point is, don’t come to the table saying people are going to spend thousands to just reduce weight by 150 pounds. Last edited by boostspoon; 05-19-2018 at 10:48 PM.. |
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We all know it's not a conventional automatic, but it's kinda hard to argue that the fact that it uses wet clutch packs instead of a torque converter as a coupling mechanism makes it non-automatic. That's just an implementation detail. |
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