[metrickid]

Originally Posted by moldcad

Frankly - as good as the AT8 is - I still feel my Golf R's DSG is faster (never drove a DCT bimmer, though)...

It might be faster but it has the worst shifter logic in auto-mode of all the dual clutch boxes I have ever driven (owned a Golf R DSG before).

[sq86]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

The 1M is also a waaaay more aggressive and muscular car than the M3 of it's time.

I think the M2 will also carry this tradition; especially as the M4 is pretty blah looking IMO (the F80 M3 on the other hand...looks mean and aggressive to my eyes)

Them hips don't lie... I agree. The reason the M4 looks less aggressive than the M3 is because it all has a 10mm wide track than the 3. They both have the same but the 4 starts out a little wider hence it looks less aggressive.

Originally Posted by DC52E55

Downshift happened at 0:51 and it sounded, to me, like an automatic instead of DCT. anyone else heard the same?

Yeah sounded like a 8AT to me. Usually a DCT has more of a braapp... Guess we'll have to wait and see.

[Adem1534]

Has anyone else realized that the most recent mules have all been testing with 19 inch wheels? Perhaps they will be standard like on the 1M.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Has anyone else realized that the most recent mules have all been testing with 19 inch wheels? Perhaps they will be standard like on the 1M.

Indeed. Surely MPSS too, my MPerf equipped M335iwas equipped with Pirreli P Zero RFTs and the ride was shocking, pot holes had me wondering if I would do the wheels and suspension some damage!

[W///]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Has anyone else realized that the most recent mules have all been testing with 19 inch wheels? Perhaps they will be standard like on the 1M.

I fully expect 19" wheels to be standard

[Die ///M Rakete]

Originally Posted by W///

I fully expect 19" wheels to be standard

It's almost a foregone conclusion that the wheels along with the rest of the unsprung bits will be F80 hand-me-downs.

18" wheels are standard on the more expensive F80 so I fail to see the basis of your certainty. Not that I'm sure you are incorrect, only that I'm curious as to why you seem so sure.

[B-1Pilot]

Originally Posted by W///

I fully expect 19" wheels to be standard

and they better be forged.... BMW F'ed up and put heavy cast alloys on the M5 Comp Pack. I want low unsprung mass, and dont want to have to drop 5k on HREs to get there.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Die ///M Rakete

It's almost a foregone conclusion that the wheels along with the rest of the unsprung bits will be F80 hand-me-downs.

18" wheels are standard on the more expensive F80 so I fail to see the basis of your certainty. Not that I'm sure you are incorrect, only that I'm curious as to why you seem so sure.

The 18s were also standard on the E9x M3, but the 1M came with the 19" ZCPs. And the car is named Pyrat 2.

All that is enough for me to believe the M2 will come with only 19" wheels available.

[Die ///M Rakete]

Originally Posted by W///

The 18s were also standard on the E9x M3, but the 1M came with the 19" ZCPs. And the car is named Pyrat 2.

All that is enough for me to believe the M2 will come with only 19" wheels available.

Yeah, I thought about that as well. I definitely want your assumption to be correct

[Bemo]

Originally Posted by Die ///M Rakete

Yeah, I thought about that as well. I definitely want your assumption to be correct

I'm fine with either and more concerned with the overall specs/price ratio than anything else.
Last weekend, I had the opportunity to drive a friend's M235. The icing on the cake? It had a manual transmission! So much fun rowing gears, my last opportunity prior to that was last year in Italy.
Anyway, the car was super fun to drive and I deemed it a worthy successor to my 328.
I can't imagine the M2 would disappoint us. Hence the above specs/price comment.
Else I'm off to M3/4 land.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by Die ///M Rakete

Yeah, I thought about that as well. I definitely want your assumption to be correct

With it allready known that BMW is limiting this options on this car, it would make perfect sense from their perspective to limit the wheel selection as well to the 19 inch option. This further develops the M2 as a 'Take it or leave it' car for the customer, as those who really would prefer the less aggressive feeling and softer ride of the 18s will have to bump up to the M3/4. As mentioned earlier in this thread, I think there will be about 5 options to select for this car

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Die ///M Rakete

It's almost a foregone conclusion that the wheels along with the rest of the unsprung bits will be F80 hand-me-downs.

18" wheels are standard on the more expensive F80 so I fail to see the basis of your certainty. Not that I'm sure you are incorrect, only that I'm curious as to why you seem so sure.

Hmm depends upon market.

UK market 19s are standard on F8X so like that poster I expect 19 on an M2...

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by W///

I fully expect 19" wheels to be standard

Originally Posted by Die ///M Rakete

It's almost a foregone conclusion that the wheels along with the rest of the unsprung bits will be F80 hand-me-downs.
18" wheels are standard on the more expensive F80 so I fail to see the basis of your certainty. Not that I'm sure you are incorrect, only that I'm curious as to why you seem so sure.

Originally Posted by W///

The 18s were also standard on the E9x M3, but the 1M came with the 19" ZCPs. And the car is named Pyrat 2.
All that is enough for me to believe the M2 will come with only 19" wheels available.

Originally Posted by Adem1534

With it allready known that BMW is limiting this options on this car, it would make perfect sense from their perspective to limit the wheel selection as well to the 19 inch option. This further develops the M2 as a 'Take it or leave it' car for the customer, as those who really would prefer the less aggressive feeling and softer ride of the 18s will have to bump up to the M3/4. As mentioned earlier in this thread, I think there will be about 5 options to select for this car

Let's dig up some old stuff of 'The Sipping One' about the M2 only, five-spoke rims.

January 2014:

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Back to the M2. Based on initial sketches.
You will know an M2 as it will be very different from an M235i in its stance and muscular bodywork.
The appearance leads on from the M235i Race car , typical facia with upturned central intake , aerodynamic spoilers around the outline of the brake intake with additional air curtain. The breather on the front wing will occupy the full length.
There is a wider track so both front and rear arches will be pronounced to accommodate 19" wheels. Although 18" will be offered.
Signature quad M exhaust ports with aerodynamic developed diffuser and a double edged Carbon fibre roof will be standard.

Alas, we learned in the meantime that the "doubled edged CF roof" didn't make it for the final cut of the M2 base version. And the 18"/19" wheels info could be outdated by now too. Hoping for the meatier 19". Tests will have pointed out in the meantime with which size it performs best. Decisions, decisions...

November 2014:

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Much , Much Better.
We can now see its fangs
The typical M grille will feature as will LED headlights but I have not seen the L shaped lights just the LEDs on the forthcoming 1er which we will see in just under 2 weeks. It will have its own wheels also.

March 2015:

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The M2 was there in its final form it was the first time I have seen the car, no Carbon roof , new five spoke wheels and a very aggressive aerodynamic kit which is a more realistic version taken from the GT car which gives the car a very aggressive look. The "fangs" which provide function really add an aggressive look to the car. Its body is more muscular than the standard 2er including the M235i so there is a distance between the two to allow both M2 and M235i to flourish. Wheel arches are broader especially at the rear.
Both M2 and M4 GTS will be launched in late 2015. And both models are considered for further progress.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

This further develops the M2 as a 'Take it or leave it' car for the customer

Yeah, it seems that, as regards the M2, BMW is adopting the Hobson's Choice approach: a free choice in which only one option is offered. As a person may refuse to take that option, the choice is therefore between taking the option or not - "take it or leave it".

The 1M was a guinea pig for this new approach, out of necessity (remember the budget and time constraints). No such budget and time constraints for the M2. Nevertheless, BMW raises the impression that it can hype the M2 by giving it the limited choice(s) 1M treatment. And by doing so, gets attention and saves money and production time too. Curious to see whether M2 marketing will be rather limited too (mostly social media driven / a couple of videos).

If BMW says: "Take it my way or take the highway", then get the best of both worlds: take the BMW to the Autobahn.

[JustChris]

Yeah I can sense it's going that way which is perfectly fine.

Not sure why there were comments on the past though about it being great that there was now more development time for PYRAT2 than PYRAT?

What's this time being used for?

CF roof?
S series engine?
Bonnet bulge bodywork?
Extensive CF weight reduction?

Ok so these comments are flame bait on purpose. Naughty of me.

So hopefully the extra time is for:-

Amazing razor sharp handling.
Co-development of the M2 CSL.

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by Die ///M Rakete

It's almost a foregone conclusion that the wheels along with the rest of the unsprung bits will be F80 hand-me-downs.

18" wheels are standard on the more expensive F80 so I fail to see the basis of your certainty. Not that I'm sure you are incorrect, only that I'm curious as to why you seem so sure.

Scott26 mentioned that the M2 would have its own 5 spoke wheels. I believe he saw them on the car as well. We will know when we see the car.

[Adem1534]

Last day of may and STILL no teaser

[Bemo]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Last day of may and STILL no teaser

Word!

The specs better impress as the secrecy and lack of information are ridiculous at this point.

[6734202]

Originally Posted by Bemo

Word!

The specs better impress as the secrecy and lack of information are ridiculous at this point.

Seriously! Can we see this thing already?

[Colinv6]

Meanwhile.... Only 4 weeks to wait

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Has anyone else realized that the most recent mules have all been testing with 19 inch wheels? Perhaps they will be standard like on the 1M.

I think they will come with 19s standard. Makes sense to me.